When I was 18 and rebellious, I wanted to be a rock star. I joined a band and we worked hard to achieve that goal. To get to sing for a living, to get to have the adulation of the crowd and get paid for it? Uh, yeah. When I was 19, I became too cool to want to be a rock star (people who sign onto a label are “sell-outs,” man). Even though I secretly still wanted to be one.
I took mostly sociology courses in college, because they were incredibly easy and interesting. I had no clue what I wanted to “be.” Despite all the leadership positions and advanced classes I took in high school, I had no idea who *I* was, much less what I wanted to do with my life. The whole college thing confused me. Everyone knew what they wanted, or at least seemed to. Maybe it was the drugs that put me in a fog, but I secretly think that they only helped keep me in that uncertain place, because the fog was there before the drugs.
Then I met God, somewhere in the thick of my messed up 19th year, right in the midst of the smoke and the dark and the angxt. There was a Voice there then, and in so many ways I felt as if it was a Light far off, like a door barely opened, sending in a promising beam of light into an otherwise unlit basement, and so I stumbled my way toward that door for about a year, maybe longer, until I found it and walked through into a bright place.
Only, it would be silly to say that the bright place meant all my problems were solved, or that I suddenly had a burst of amazing insight, or that I knew what I wanted to do with my life. All I knew for certain was that I wanted my life to be God’s—whatever that meant. I was figuring overseas, another country, going permanently to live and to love for Jesus. So I dropped out of the university and went to a Bible College (unaccreditted, uh, sort of regretting that now) and I married a man who loved God as much as I did, if not more, a man who’d had a similar Road to Damascus experience where everything turned upside down. And then we had babies, and then he wanted to move to Alaska, and then he got hired as a youth and worship director for a little church in the woods (the same church I grew up in)…
So here we are. And all of a sudden, I’ve discovered that my life is not supposed to be a passive thing that flows along wherever other people say it should. We’ve laughed and cried in the past when we’ve acknowledged that I’d never have gotten married had I known what it meant. Because I didn’t realize that it would mean all my hopes and dreams would have to be set aside, that I would be called upon to put my money down on another’s dreams, whatever they were (whether to be a pastor or a woodcutter). But when I thought that’s what God was saying, that’s what I did, and I did it for Him…and for him. Because I love them both.
So here I am now, realizing that perhaps the dreams I had were not fleshly and fallen. Perhaps they were of God. And that marriage does not mean one person silences their hopes and the other person doesn’t. It might. But that would be because both parties actively choose to do so, not because one person has to because those are the rules.
I’m 31. And I’m just now trying to figure out what I’m supposed to do with my life. Among his dreams, Jeff longs for more time at home, and would like us to find a way to both work part-time, so that he can be at home and be involved with homeschooling (which he LOVES) more. And I’ll confess to being caught off gaurd. Work outside the home, for money? Me? That was another life ago, another person ago. But as we question the “roles” we’ve been taught, I have to admit it’s a fair thing he’s asking. Why shouldn’t he be with his family more, and why would I complain about having a guy who loves his kids this much (and who’s so great with them!)? But work? Me? What would I do? What do I want to do?
I’m looking at various online college programs, etc, and it’s like the sky’s the limit, except that I’m 31 and have 5 children, which is a distinctly different scenario than the one I was looking at when I was 18. But it still comes down to asking, what do I want? Who am I, what am I made for? And more than that, do we want to move to Haiti and work in orphanages there or go work with a relief program somewhere? Should I go in a direction that would provide me with skills to help—midwifery, human services, etc? Do we want to stay in the USA and just be normal people in a normal neighborhood? And if so, do I go into education, or counseling, or business management, or shoot for seminary?
Jeff’s game for just about anything, as long as I’m sure it’s what I want (meaning, he’ll happily sacrifice during the education phase, as long as he knows I’ll stick to it—can you tell this guy knows me well or what?). So far, I don’t have a clear sense from on high about any of these things…more of a general approval thing, a, “Go ahead, you choose,” thing.
I am just sort of standing in this weird place. It’s too big, on the one hand, yet I’ll admit it feels so good to be free. The only thing with freedom, though, is that it affords you choices, meaning at some point, you need to make one. Patriarchy trains you differently. I learned to be passive there, to let others do the choosing (and make the mistakes, too). It’s admittedly uncomfortable to take responsibility again and I find myself standing here in this open space, just staring at all the room.

















Posted by valerie on January 15, 2007 at 4:12 pm
Personally, I think you’d make an awesome midwife or doula (we don’t really have many of those, here, but I think they are a fantastic idea). My theory/understanding/experience of ‘being in ministry’ is that the Lord totally orchestrates the timing and the ‘how’. I have no doubt that you will be ministering – more than you are now – but in my humble opinion, I’d go for the practical training, really I would. I have my own ideas about seminary/bible college (won’t write here, too easy to be misread and misunderstood, lol!) but the Lord will have you in the school of the Holy Spirit no matter what you do, if you choose it.
Our church does a lot of ministry in developing nations – in fact, we’re going to Nepal to minister in April – yippee! – and my teacher training has been sooooooo good for working in these countries! I can’t tell you how many English lessons I’ve done ad lib sitting in a mud yard or crowded in a dorm with orphans or with a bunch of adults in a church. And we get to talk about Jesus the whole time, it is so cool!
Friends of ours have just started working with a ministry in Cambodia, with young orphan girls who have been sold into prostitution. This ministry rescues them, often in very dangerous circumstances, and this couple run a home for these precious little girls. He is a nurse, she is a teacher, and they get along famously!
Just some examples – but I do think you’d make the best midwife! I remember reading about your ideas about childbirth when I first came to Choosing Home, and I thought, ‘THAT is the type of person I would like to have with me when I give birth!’ Just my three pennies, lol!
It’s funny how you say that the Lord seems to be saying, ‘You choose’. That has often been my experience in this type of choice. It would be way easier if He’d give you a dream, or signpost it, or something! I think this may be because the practical stuff we do day to day in our work situation is a pathway, part of a journey, and if we love Him and serve Him with all of our hearts wherever we are, we ARE ministering and we ARE ‘doing the stuff’, KWIM?
(Now I’m off to email you – your spam is bound to suck me in……..aaaaagh…..)
Val
[Molly says: released from spam purgatory—I don’t know what the deal is, but my spam catcher loves you and only you).
Posted by Light M. on January 15, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Don’t be too hard on yourself, Molly, it’s unrealistic to think most 18 or 19 year olds know what they want to do with their lives. I’ve had two totally different careers! I went to college for Russian language because I was good at foreign languages, then had my first career as a translator for the government. When my first child came along, I became a SAHM, and was a homemaker with four kids for about a decade. Then as my youngest got out of diapers, I began drifting back to one of my first loves, writing, and had a major spiritual crisis.
What was wrong with me, that I wanted to open up my own copywriting business? Wasn’t this entrepreneurial thing supposed to be for men only? Shouldn’t husband and kids be enough for me? Isn’t that the only acceptable path for Biblical Christian womanhood? Well meaning friends suggested I should use my talents to write for the church newsletter. Or they counseled me to “enjoy your children while they’re young” – if I had a buck for everytime someone said that! After awhile, I just stopped sharing my dream with anyone. The Christian bookstore was no help – any books on career and vocations were all in the men’s section. The women’s section was devoted to homemaking and childrearing.
I was miserable. I wanted to be something that wasn’t made in the mold I thought Christian women were supposed to be made in. I was terrified of displeasing God, of being out of his will. But I was sooo unhappy, I finally said, “God, I’m going to try this. If you don’t want me to do it, send me a sign.”
Ha! I stepped out in faith, started my business, and in week one God’s blessings and signs of approval came so thick and fast. I couldn’t believe it. Now six years later, I work just 30 hours a week around my family’s schedule and earn more than most people earn working full time in my part of the country.
I think your hubby is right … he should get to spend more time with the kiddos! It seems so foolish, this model we have of dad having one or more jobs, and mom being home with the kids all the time. Some families never see dad because of that. My brother is a stay-at-home dad and my sis-in-law is the high-powered Type A career person, adn he is thrilled to be at home with their two daughters.
The patriarchal model assumes that men will have a variety of vocations or callings – doctor, lawyer, Indian chief, whatever. But that same model assumes all women are called to just one thing – marriage and motherhood. To all my sisters out there, I tell you, it ain’t so! If you have yearnings that go beyond the home (and homemaking is a might fine thing, I am NOT dissing it), it’s because God gave you gifts and creativity and ideas … and a dominion mandate! … and those things are all hankering to get out and be used.
Posted by Jamie on January 15, 2007 at 4:59 pm
Val said you should be a Midwife or doula? Molly, we MUST talk. I’m looking at midwifery
Posted by jettybetty on January 15, 2007 at 5:13 pm
That is just a HUGE room! I perceive you as being able to do so many things. What an exciting (and scary?) time. Are you all still thinking of moving to Utah in the summer?
Posted by chewymom on January 15, 2007 at 6:07 pm
All I can say is that you are 9 years ahead of me because I am 40 and just now pursuing a “life.” I’ve chosen nursing for several reasons–it is a service field, it is useful on a mission field, should we go that route, and if we stay put, I can work part-time for pretty decent money. In case you wanted an idea for a field of work. But mostly I just wanted to say, we are in a similar situation right now! (I think I keep saying that in your comments!)
Posted by Catez on January 15, 2007 at 6:42 pm
I’ve had two careers Molly. Well three if I count the doing whatever until I pick something to do part.
All I’d say on seminary is practical – friends who hav ebeen have found it dificult to find work after – but that’s here and may differ where you are.
I think you will find your interest in somethng keeps growing – and you just want to explore it more.
I liked this post – life is a serious of stops and starts I think. We stay somewhere for a while but may be called to move on to something else. I mean in terms of what we do, or where we live, or just who we are.
Posted by Keer on January 15, 2007 at 9:06 pm
Are you sure we aren’t the same person????? Oh wait, I’m so much older – 32 – and I live slightly south (but not as far south as many of your readers
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So here I am now, realizing that perhaps the dreams I had were not fleshly and fallen. Perhaps they were of God. And that marriage does not mean one person silences their hopes and the other person doesn’t. It might. But that would be because both parties actively choose to do so, not because one person has to because those are the rules.
This is what has been dawning on me lately, but, to be honest, I haven’t had the guts to say out loud OR in print. It has been a VERY uncomfortable realization, too. I HAVE spent the past 12 years of my life totally ignoring anything that I have hoped and dreamed. And for the past couple of years, especially in the past year, I’ve felt tuggings to do something, but both dh and I are so used to me just following along with whatever he wants to do that we aren’t sure how to proceed. We still have lots of talking to do about it.
Contrast this to the attitude that I was blasted with when I asked a particular group about working from home. I was informed (privately) that I could make more money simply by doing all I can to boost my husband’s career and make his home pleasant to come home to. Um, been doing that as much as I know to do.
Yet if I say, “What about me?” I’m told that it’s my job as a help meet to not even utter those words…it’s all about him.
Methinks I’m hanging around the wrong people.
Posted by molleth on January 15, 2007 at 9:32 pm
Yeah, it’s really very weird. I mean, we were told that you are either a.) a homekeeper and submissive wife, or b.) a feminist who throws her kids in daycare for 112 hours every week because she only cares about herself.
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I mean, sheesh, with options like THAT, wow! But then it’s like one day you realize, um, those aren’t the only two options. Somebody (whether well-intentioned or purposely lying or a grand mix of both) hasn’t been giving me the full scoop on the story.
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Again, the whole passive thing comes up in my mind: passivity is NOT a godly attribute. The proverbs 31 and Titus 2 women were NOT passive. Passivity is NOT what Christians should desire or emulate.
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If I *choose* to support my husband’s career and stay home with my children full-time forever, then AWESOME! But I need to *choose* that, to know that God’s calling on my life is that, as opposed to be doing that because those are the (supposed) rules for women, period. And to not choose that does NOT mean that I am choosing 112 hours of daycare and a membership in N.O.W. Ugh. These arguments I’ve been spoonfed (and believed) are just so frustrating to me right now…I just never thought through them. They quoted a few verses at me, and I never thought to check them with the full Book, you know? Urgh.
Posted by Wayne Leman on January 15, 2007 at 11:10 pm
Molly, have you and Jeff ever considered splitting a job? Some couples do that and it can nurture their children well.
Posted by Leah on January 15, 2007 at 11:16 pm
Wow. See, I was just talking to a friend today about this very thing today, and I don’t really… (dare I say this?)…. agree with you.
The way I see it is, you’ve already made your choice. You have a full time job, a full-time career with benefits. You’re MOMMY x 5. You’re the nurse, the teacher, the comforter, the one who intuitively knows when to peek around the corner to prevent disaster, the baby-wearer, the chef and barber, the chauffeur and chaperone to all library visits and doctor’s offices. These are no little things. THEY ARE the ministry. God hasn’t plopped these children in your lap on accident. They aren’t just along for the wild “Jeff and Molly” ride… they ARE the ride!
I’ve been struggling with some similar thoughts.. “Maybe we belong in South America, digging wells for poor families, building houses for single mothers…” and God quietly whispers to me “settle down, Mama… your time will come.” And I believe it will. Some day, I suspect I’ll be in a broke down orphanage somewhere snuggling abandoned babies who have no-one else who will hold them. But today? I have my own babies to snuggle, to bathe, to bandage and protect. Is this any less noble than “THE MISSION FIELD”? Surely, the answer is no.
I love you, Molly. I know you’re a wonderful Mother and that would not change if you “worked” outside the home, I just had to say these things that were on my mind after reading your last few posts.
ALL said with a smile, love and respect!
Your friend Leah
Posted by valerie on January 15, 2007 at 11:37 pm
It’s interesting though, Molly – I’m kind of in the opposite place from you. I’ve been working forEVAH, at least, since I left school, went to university for four years then pretty much full time since then. For me, work is overrated. I can’t WAIT until I can quit and be home with my babies! (to be.) I wonder, though, if I would have felt the same way if I had married straight from university and had bubbas then? Maybe I would have the itch to do something else as well, but not to the expense of my family, which I don’t think is your heart at all.
I wonder, too, if I’ll go completely nuts just being home all the time? I’ve been pondering this. I’ve already talked to my hubby about some plans I’m going to hatch, related to being able to work from home somehow, lol! I think I’d really like to be home with the littles for 95% of the time, though. A friend of mine with the same qualifications I have edits papers for govt departments for about ten hours a week from home. She gets $45.00 an hour for it. This kind of work I’d be happy to do. No way would I teach, I think – imagine being with other people’s kids all day, then have to give to mine when I get home! No fun. We really have a heart for homeschooling, too, so I can see that I’ll be home for a good while.
RE: the children and ministry/work, thing. I really believe that children and home are a part of our calling, not all of our calling. ALL of us have gifts and skills, which I believe need to get utilised at some point in our lives. I think when your children are small, we naturally will give the majority of our time to them, meeting their needs. The Lord may release us some of the time to do other things, but it seems natural to me to spend most of the time with the children. I also think that there is not one path for all mothers/fathers/men/women etc etc. God’s calling is different, unique for each of us. I (humbly, gently) believe that we are missing the mark if we do not follow this call, if indeed we are hearing Him correctly. We need to be faithful to Him first and foremost, not just do what everyone else does because it is the way it has always been done.
I do NOT advocate the whole twelve hours in daycare thing. But, I do believe that sometimes the Lord calls us to more than what we do at home. The oft-quoted Prov 31 woman was a busy lady, wheeling and dealing and working hard in and outside of her home!
Now that I’ve rambled away, I think I will stop here, lol! Probably made no sense at all!
Valerie
Posted by molleth on January 16, 2007 at 1:20 am
Hi Mrs. Leah. Yes, you *can* disagree with me. It’s allowed. LOL…
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Keep in mind, though, that I’m not talking about our children not getting parented. There is no rule that says Mommy is the main parent, that’s all.
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So to anyone else thinking the same general things but just not wanting to say it, lol, both, I totally agree that there is no “perfect/glam” mission field, that what God has called us to IS our mission, period, whether it be swinging from vines in Zimbabwe to rescue orphans or raising children in suburbia USA or being the janitor in a factory. Wherever it is that God wants us, that’s the right place to be.
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And I want to be very clear that in saying I am NOT putting down motherhood as a mission. I’m just not sure that it’s fair to say that motherhood is the only mission a person can have.
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We wouldn’t say that fatherhood is the only mission a man can have, right? Does it make him less of a father if his life includes being involved in things outside of his immediate family? And if not, then why do we assume that a woman is less of a mother if she does?
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I realize that the conservative camp basically says if a woman wants to do anything else besides be a wife or mother, she’s got something wrong with her…her flesh, her sinful nature or something. Yet if a man feels like he’s got a mission, that he’s been called to something, it’s right and it’s of God.
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It’s a weird thing…and I’m just questioning it. I think it comes back to our assumption about what men and women were made for, about who is allowed to dream big and who isn’t, about who is supposed to be content and who isn’t. One is supposed to think outside the home and that’s good…the other one isn’t supposed to think outside the home, and if she does, she’s bad. It’s just really weird…
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And that’s not to say that raising children isn’t dreaming big…and my children are such weirdo’s that a mother’s GOT to dream big with them!!! HAAAAA! And I’m so not saying that they’re not enough for me. That’s really not what this is about, though I’m not sure I can make anyone believe that because if someone is locked into the Biblical Womanhood ideal, then all you can think is that, really…urgh. And then we wonder why I even put these sorts of things out in the public… Augh!
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It’s just this nagging weird unshakeable sense that I’m supposed to think outside this box I’ve put myself in. I’d say it’s God, and I actually believe it is, and yet I’m also aware that I can be wrong, so maybe I’m totally decieved…and if so, it’s obvious that I would covet your prayers that I would hear God rightly.
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Valerie, I think it’s SO cool to plan to be home full=time (for awhile or forever or whatever) and to be thinking along those lines. I am of the full and loud-mouthed opinion that babies need mommies and daddies who are THERE. I know that sometimes that’s impossible, but when it can work, it’s worth the sacrifice to make it happen. And I think you are SO wise about proactively planning and preparing for it.
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Personally, I really don’t think I could work outside the home at all if I knew it would mean my children weren’t with a parent. Not at their ages, in any case. I’d maybe do it if we were starving to death or something, but that would be about it. I am like a wild mother bear when it comes to them. Over my dead body is the name of the game. Maybe I’ll chill out in time and realize that I’ve been wrong or something and need to lighten up, but as of right now, I absolutely could NOT handle that. Call it homeschool mom overdrive or something, I don’t know.
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But with Jeff wanting to do something part-time so that he can be with the children more, that’s a much different scenario. He’s absolutely amazing with the children—like super dad or something. And, plus, he IS their Daddy. Dad’s have the right to be with their children too, right?
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Wayne, Jeff and I are so different that I’m not sure we could do that. It’s like North meets South or East meets West. We click, sure, but as for working the same job, it would have to be some amazing job that would be able to match two contrasts. LOL… Like our family, for example. now there’s a job where west can meet east and beautiful things can happen…usually…lol…
Posted by Peter Kirk on January 16, 2007 at 2:34 am
Molly, Wayne got in before me with the job share idea. If that job share is in a church, it will be good rather than a complication that you are so different. Someone read your post about birthing positions (I didn’t) and thought you should be a midwife, but I read your post about loving a brat and thought you should be a church youth worker or youth pastor. Well, maybe the “P” word is still a bit much for you, but I am only suggesting a role which most comps would allow, leading youth groups. You and Jeff could share in that kind of work. Now I know a lot of churches here in the UK would be very happy to have a couple to share such a job (but I don’t suggest you move here, most don’t pay well!) Are there some churches in the USA which would accept such an arrangement?
Posted by Marcia on January 16, 2007 at 4:52 am
And that marriage does not mean one person silences their hopes and the other person doesn’t.
Preach it, girl.
Maybe this here writing stuff is your calling. You have a gift not only with crafting words in a beautiful way, but also a heart that shines through it all.
I think it’s good that you are looking at a plan, and I don’t see you acting rashly about it, or that your current priorities are going to be misplaced.
I’m going to speak honestly, though, and feel free to email me if you’d like to talk more.
I’ve explained before how I’ve always worked, a little bit when the kids were small, and a little bit more, although still part-time, now that they’re a little older.
I didn’t use to think I regretted it. But without writing a book here, in looking back, well, I wouldn’t have done it. This is a recent development for me, based on some circumstances that have come up in our home.
Trading off working and caring for children may look and sound wonderful. But it brings with it a whole new set of problems and stress.
Maybe, right now, being Mommy should be #1. Believe me, though, blink, and those kids will be taller than you, and while they will always need bandaging, whether for the easily-solved physical injuries or the more difficult emotional ones, it does become less time-consuming.
I don’t mean to shoot arrows into your dream balloon. I’m sure you can come up with some sort of workable solution if you feel that’s where you are being lead.
I just don’t want you to go into it blindly, is all.
Posted by Paul on January 16, 2007 at 5:04 am
Ah Molls my advice, for what it’s worth, is do something you are passionate about – since we are all living linger you have what say 50 yrs on this rock left, that is a pretty long time to do many things – some of which may be directly transferable from what you decided to do now and some will be from what you have done…
I’m thinking about doing something more formal in terms of theological training but I am glad I am doing it now when i have a matured a bit more in my faith to ask Qs and think rather than just have the answer – the way i see it my passion has been stoked over the last yr or so and there is a couple of opportunities coming up this yr so heh why not do it.
Debs and I have talked about timing, i’d start on a course in Jan but she’s still down so i’ve decided it is not the right time now but there is another course in spring – i guess that is my way of saying i still put my wife above the immediacy of my decision making, we need to decide things together as a family and there is no point we gaining the world but loosing my soul mate in the process…
Sounds like Jeff is in your corner which is awesome, so heh is their a rush, can you dream a bit first? can you think what you are passionate about, can you talk with Jeff and those who know you really well? Can you explore some options etc etc…
Debs is having a yr a bit like that – she never went to college and regrets it a bit now, on the other hand she is thinking what she would love to do in the future and already has had about 3 successful careers in the past, lol.
Posted by Jeannine on January 16, 2007 at 5:11 am
Molly, this is all SO interesting. Especially since I’ve been following you from one blog to another
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I come from a background where biblical womanhood has never been heard of (although my mom was a SAHM). Just voice the idea of submission and my mom, grandma and sister would be all in your face. I’ve been a Christian for over 13 years now, but where I really learned about biblical womanhood apart from the Bible was on the internet. And I can very much relate to having to make a choice (well, not right now but anyway). I have a law degree and I will take the bar this summer. I really enjoy what I am doing and am not bad at it either. At the same time I really desire to be a wife (will happen this year – YEAH!) and soon a SAHM. But at the same time again I wonder if I want to stay at home all the time or if I want to work parttime (when the to be kids would be older) because God has given me these work-related talents as well…
But God is great and He will answer our questions in His own timing. I’m exited to see where He is leading you
Posted by Bryan Riley on January 16, 2007 at 5:23 am
At 35 Tara and i left our careers to enter the mission field BUT it was because God called us to it. Unfortunately, He had begin calling us to it about 5 years earlier, I ignored it, and a few
“moments” later found myself in Jonah’s precarious position. Spend some honest time with your husband in prayer and go wherever He leads. He is speaking. Are you listening? Although there are 10 million choices, only one will bring you rest. Only one is the true step of faith in someOne worthy of our faith. Don’t let that freeze you in indecision. Just open your spiritual ears and eyes and go. Enter the land. Celebrate jubilee.
Posted by jettybetty on January 16, 2007 at 5:25 am
IMHO, God gives us all different gifts, different passions, different spouses–and no formula as to what is right and wrong in applying that (as long as I apply it according to scripture)–that’s why our walk is called faith. My answer to God’s call may be different from my best friend or Molly. I don’t don’t think it’s an either/or proposition either. It can be a both/and. You can be a deeply committed Christian parent and do something else, too–all to God’s glory!
I am excited to see where God leads you Molly–I just know it’s going to be another adventure in mercy!
Posted by Bryan Riley on January 16, 2007 at 5:54 am
Some people sneer at his writing, but I’d also suggest the Cure for the Common Life by Max Lucado and Desiring God by Piper. I agree with seeking your passion, because God put those there. Remember if you do think missions, every passion can be used out there.
Posted by thereverendswife on January 16, 2007 at 7:28 am
Hey Molly. I can think of about a million things that you would be excellent at. That’s what makes it difficult, I would imagine! I think the question would be…what best fits at this time? What will be most beneficial in the long run? And…what does God have of me? You are very gifted, Molly.
I truly think that you can train at this stage of the game, and effectively balance parenthood with your husband. I think you have more energy than TEN of me! I would “guess” (and it is only a guess because you are you and I am me!) that mothering and wifing (that is not a word, is it?) will take up the most of your time for the next many years….even with any training you would go into.
Side note: I took an aspect of your blog and blogged on it myself. Please do not take any offense from it – it is ideological in intent. You have my most sincere love and best wishes.
E-mail me if you despise me and wish to harm me.
Posted by chewymom on January 16, 2007 at 7:37 am
I think one mistake we fall into in our culture today is thinking that it is “Biblical” for the man to work at a “job,” and for the woman to stay at home. It is a cultural thing that the man works away from home. Before the Industrial Revolution (and even back about 100+ years in American history) the men worked at home as well. This whole division of labor that is so spiritualized is nothing more than a cultural phenomon. Thank you for thinking (out loud) outside the box about what our roles can and/or should be and how you, or any of us, can meet our responsibilities and callings in such a way that we are nurturing our children, doing the “home” things God has called us to, and yet also using our gifts and abilities to minister to others and provide for our families through this avenue called a job!
Posted by April on January 16, 2007 at 8:05 am
Molly… Praying with excitement and hope for all of you! I can’t wait to see where the Spirit leads y’all next! ~April
Posted by Light M. on January 16, 2007 at 8:08 am
Chewymom, you are spot on about the way we divide work and home and roles being totally cultural. I think some patriarchalists are very fixated on the Victorian era of the British middle and upper class and try to read that into the Bible!
We are living in a wonderful time, place, and economy. We have the American entrepreneurial spirit plus the internet – we are only limited by our own ingenuity when it comes to finding meaningful work that allows us to be there for our families as well.
Posted by Marcia on January 16, 2007 at 8:49 am
I think some patriarchalists are very fixated on the Victorian era of the British middle and upper class and try to read that into the Bible!
Oh, nuh-uh, Light. Really?**
**denotes sarcasm
Posted by Marcia on January 16, 2007 at 8:58 am
Okay, is anyone else having trouble making paragraphs? My comments are all running together.
(Perhaps this is a not-so-subtle WordPress hint to me to SHUT UP.)
Posted by molleth on January 16, 2007 at 10:14 am
lol…Marcia, it’s this dumb theme…I really like it, except that it won’t let the commenters put spaces between their thoughts. That’s why I’m putting periods there like an idiot…lol. Now you’re going to tempt me to mess with the theme…(all I need is a little temptation, you know)…
Mostly, I’m just clinging tight. There are so many different areas I could go to, so many interests that I have, but I think it won’t kill me to wait until I know where He’s leading me, if that makes any sort of sense.
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Hi all—-so many great and thoughtful comments! And so little…time!
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One more time, just for the record, I am NOT talking about giving up motherhood because it’s too hard, and I am not talking about giving up motherhood because I want something *fun* to do instead. I’m not sure if I can say that in a way that it can be heard, but there, I tried again.
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I’m talking about that nagging sense (ever since this last summer, and actually, it ws more than nagging) that I’m supposed to stop thinking in the box of “Biblical Womanhood” (as defined by the super conservative camp, that is).
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And I have no idea what that means, other than that the things/dreams/ideas I thought, “no way” on because I wasn’t a man are NOT supposed to be pushed aside because of gender.
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Anyways, as of right now, I’m just hanging on to Jesus and waiting. Thinking, swirling, wondering, yes, but that’s a side project.
Posted by Keer on January 16, 2007 at 10:25 am
It’s a weird thing…and I’m just questioning it. I think it comes back to our assumption about what men and women were made for, about who is allowed to dream big and who isn’t, about who is supposed to be content and who isn’t. One is supposed to think outside the home and that’s good…the other one isn’t supposed to think outside the home, and if she does, she’s bad. It’s just really weird…
I think you have really hit upon something here. And you have received responses agreeing with that assumption. Like you, if that assumption is truly one that the Bible teaches, then I’m all for it! But if not….
I also think it has a lot to do with the assumption that what God has instructed me to do is what God has instructed you to do. (And for anyone who may read more into that than I actually wrote, I’m NOT referring to clear-cut commandments that are spelled out in Scripture – I’m talking about stuff that is NOT spoken of in Scripture.)
I’m also sensing an assumption that if Molly pursues something in addition to being a wife and mom that she will be pursuing something INSTEAD OF being a wife and mom. And knowing Molly as I do, I’d be willing to bet money (if I were a betting woman
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Chewymom and others have also touched on something I’ve pondered myself about men working outside the home – is that really how God wants it? (I don’t have any answers myself or an opinion, but these are just questions that have been floating around in my head for years.) Why is it OK for a man to go off on frequent business trips, essentially forcing his wife to be a single parent (except she not only has to care for everything herself, she also has to submit to whatever he wants, even if he’s not there…she’s not free to do what she feels is best…so it’s harder in some aspects than a single mom), but if a wife were to go on a trip of some sort (we’ll assume she’s a SAHM but maybe to go to a convention with a party-plan business she might have???????), not only is she looked down upon by other women (how DARE she leave her family?!?!?!?!?!?!?!), she most likely will have to jump through hoops to make sure that everything is planned out and taken care of while she is gone. Just an example, but I just see this sort of thing occur far too often, and I wonder if it’s really how God would like it. It just seems to me that in patriarchal circles, it is expected that the wife should not trouble her husband with anything related to caring for the family outside of monetary provision – it is HER JOB to take care of everything related to the house or children. (Yet he is instructed to be instrumental in the rearing of the children at the same time…anyone else besides me see a contradiction here???)
Like you Molly, perhaps I am being deceived. If so, then I pray the Lord would show me the correct path. If I am being deceived then I know that I was on the correct path for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time. Funny thing though…that path didn’t really feel right either. :-S
Posted by Tiffany on January 16, 2007 at 10:34 am
I would definitely say that when it comes to babies, like actual babies not a they are all my “babies”, that it needs to be mom at home. I just think that God biologically designed us that way. Yes, there are breast pumps, and although the nutrition is still there and dads can cuddle with a bottle and “bottle nurse” so to speak, I really really really think that the Bible’s images of being comforted at the breast as well as our biological make up all point to the mom taking care of the babies full time.
After that point though I would whole heartedly agree that there are seasons, and maybe Dad doing the full time parent thing (what a bad term-we’re all full time parents, no matter if we get pay checks or not….) might be the thing.
I would put forth the idea (seconding others opinions here) that just because we have many giftings and calling and big dreams put there by God, doesn’t mean we have to use/do all of those things at the same time. Life is in stages. Most of us have 20-30 before kids ever appear, another 20-40 years after that raising kids, and then 20 or so years where the children are not at home. Not to mention when they get older, and really are more adults than children even though they still are home. Many (most?) of us will be done with the raising of children by the time we’re 50, which leaves really many years to full time pursue something else.
I would say Holly has a great idea about the early years of Mothering being a good time to maybe look into training to order to use these skills after the more intense and active years of little kids have left.
Hope you find what it is you’re being called into Molly, and are at perfect peace with what ever that ends up being.
Posted by ann on January 16, 2007 at 10:43 am
dear molly,
this was a very interesting post. there is a lot of education that can be done online. midwifery is not a career I would recomment with young children. I am an RN and it has worked well with my hasband and I. I have always worked part-time and during %50 of that time daddy is with the kids.
I am actually at a stage (I am 37) that I want to slow down for a bit because my kids are 8 and 10 and I feel I only have a few more years of influence on them. ( I also have a 17 month old)
I think we go through stages all our life of chancing and reinventing ourselfs. The other night I worked with a gal who did not start RN school till she was 39!! She is now 61 and retiring from a rewarding and successful 20 year career.
are jobs plentyful in Alaska.
and yes i agree, there is always a price to pay with decisions we make. There are times I wish I had worked less, but on the whole my family has always come first. Hope you fiquire it all out. I believe if you are looking God will reveal his will to you.
ann
Posted by Leah on January 16, 2007 at 10:45 am
… just thinking a lot about this today (and Holly’s post as well)… and was pondering…
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there are lots of home-based “family” businesses that encourage the husband, wife, and children to stay together and work hard to succeed TOGETHER..
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just a thought.
LOVE YA!
~Leah
Posted by Leah on January 16, 2007 at 10:47 am
…because it wouldn’t be fun to have JEFF gone part of the time, he walks in the door and YOU leave for the rest of the day, you get home and you guys CRASH… get up the next day and start all over. When would you get to enjoy the family all together?
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We have friends who did this for a while, one worked days, one worked nights. That was awful! They were never all together as a family. EW!
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I’ve got to quit thinking about this today and get back to 7th grade math, 4th grade spelling and teaching my kindergartener how to read.
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Posted by Sarah on January 16, 2007 at 10:48 am
Awesome post Molly! I referred to your post in my blog today. I’m so excited for you. Thanks for letting us in on what’s going on with you. Though our circumstances are different, I relate to so much of what you wrote today.
Oh, and midwifery is a wonderful career.
Posted by Bryan Riley on January 16, 2007 at 12:43 pm
Tara, who rarely blogs and doesn’t enjoy public speaking, is going to give a talk to a group of Moms at church called “mom to mom.” She’s still working on it but she is toying with naming it something from “God Can Use You” or “Teaching Eternal Investments” or who knows what.
I was reading her notes and in it she is talking about that nagging feeling that often occurs to stay at home moms– that “i’m stuck in routine” feeling and can’t get out of it. I can barely make it through the day. I teach my kids to share, be kind, serve, reach out, but then find myself all day long with my kids in my house doing none of that except with my kids and wondering if they get it since I wasn’t doing it.
She even writes that she fully believes Satan was whispering to her over and over again that she was doing all she could so don’t worry about that nagging feeling. You don’t need to do more, especially with a husband working and gone a lot, kids being sick, a house to clean, lunches to make and clean up, and you even read your bible and study it… etc. and etc.
The end application of her study will be to find ways that teach servanthood and disciple the kids while reaching out. To spend ten minutes at the park picking up trash (not yours but others) out of the hour there and explain why…to go to a neighboring widow’s home and play in her leaves and then rake them up…to take the art project for the day to the local hospital or nursing home… simple things that don’t really take more time but put into practice the lessons being learned.
One I really liked, but I told her to tone it down, was to adopt a missionary family.
Anyway, i say all this because i hear the heart cry to have two part-time jobs and more time for the family. We didn’t exactly do that but we found a job where the whole family does it together: full-time missions work/missions training/ministry. It’s been a complete godsend for us.
Posted by plainandsimple on January 16, 2007 at 1:34 pm
Molly
I was doing over a fifty hour week until 3 years ago. I saw my eldest child for two hours a day. I was a teacher and couldn’t get a part time job (High School). I loved teaching, but I loved my family more. I’m 33 and have so much time to do a Phd., voluntary work, go back into teaching, go and do an art degree, work in a book shop, start my own business…My eldest will be 20 when I’m 45, I could have at least 20 years of paid work in front of me if I wanted to work again. All I’m saying is there’s no rush, you’re still young!
However, if you’re saying your husband really wants to cut back on his hours so he can spend more time with your little ones, then I understnad that feeling really, really well. I suppose it’s something to negotiate between yourselves.
Oh, I once worked part-time in a book shop, it was interesting and not at all stressful and I was home by one in the afternoon. Highly recommended for a bookish mum who needs some pennies and a bit of thinking time.
BTW: There’s a time for pretty much anything in a woman’s life, take it slow and simple and continnue to hear the “still, small voice”
**All above said in kind and respectful voice**lol!
Posted by molleth on January 16, 2007 at 2:14 pm
Whew—busy day, today, sorry I’m so behind answering comments. I don’t think I have time to get to each individual comment today, but do want to say THANKS to each of you for voicing your thoughts.
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And, yes, plainandsimple, it is not me wanting to go work 50 hours a day, but more of my husband wanting to be home more, and that happening at the same time as I find myself agreeing with the Spirit (or what I believe to be the Spirit) that I am being called to something outside of these four walls—or, probably a better way to put it, called to something else, ALONGSIDE being called to my family. What that is, specifically, though, I’m not sure yet.
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But it’s taken a good long while for me to get my hands around the fact that God can call a woman to something outside of her home, to something beyond or outside of the vision her husband has. In the camp I came from, that wasn’t allowed—that would be called “sin.” But yet in Scripture…um…it isn’t called that. Still, it took Him taking me by the hand and saying that, and then a bit of gasping and shrieking as my paradigm came tumbling down. Maybe I’m still doing a bit of gasping, actually…
Posted by Julie on January 17, 2007 at 5:57 am
I am in such a different place from you. I have a master’s degree and had a 20+ year nursing career. I am home now at 43 to raise my “babies.” Okay, one is 14 and the other two are in Haiti. They will be here soon.
My husband and I could not find a way to make the part-time thing work. One of us simply had to work enough hours to earn Medical benefits. Between my husband’s asthma and my daughter’s fetal alcohol syndrome, our combined monthly perscriptions (even with insurance) is over $200 each month. We couldn’t afford to pay full price for all these meds. I hope you can make it work!
If you decide on nursing, I would recommend going to a two-year LPN program first. There are LPN to RN programs at both the Associates and Baccalaureate level if you decide to complete your degree. The difference is that while you are completing your degree, you get to work as an LPN. The pay is good and you get experience in your field.
Posted by Adam on January 17, 2007 at 7:07 am
Molly,
Though there are distinct differences between who you and I are and where we’ve been, I feel like we have a lot in common. I’m 31, and not at all where I expected to be when I was 19. When I was 19 I planned to become a “pastor.” A few years later I got stoked about working in Brazil, and ended up graduating with an accredited (!) Bachelor of Ministry degree and heading off to Brazil. My wife is Brazilian and my kids were born in Brazil. That lasted only 3 years or so. Finances were too tight. One disasterous ministry later in New Mexico and I found myself here in New Jersey working for a cell phone company.
So many regrets. It does me no good to have an expensive college degree that opens no doors outside of ministry. I should have gotten another degree along with ministry, or at least a worthwhile certification in SOMETHING. I’ve failed to include my wife’s dreams in my own, and I’ve allowed myself to be swept along by events.
But God is good, and for all my failings I know he can bring good out of this mess.
If you are interested, check out the posts on “Figuring Out What To Do With Myself” on my blog. Look on the right hand side under “Featured Posts,” near the bottom of the list.
All the best on your journey.
Posted by Marcia on January 17, 2007 at 7:29 am
Actually, Julie, if she is going to do some sort of nursing, why go two years for an LPN when in the same amount of time she could get an associate’s and become an RN? This is what I did.
Anyway, Molls, I’m thinking maybe some sort of ministry related to helping women out of patriarchy. We’ve talked a bit privately about how damaging and heartbreaking it can be; you’re poised to take it to the next level, I think.
(P.S. Stop by my place and weigh in on whether or not I should keep blogging. If you get a minute, that is.)
Posted by Elissa on January 17, 2007 at 8:02 am
I don’t know if you agree with this or not, but I just wanted to say that I really admire that in addition to listening for God’s will for your life, you are also trying to honor your husband by finding away together a way to make his dream of being home more with the children a reality. I think that is certainly honoring to God to honor your husband’s desires like that. I pray you find a good solution for all of you.
Posted by Keer on January 17, 2007 at 9:36 am
Anyway, Molls, I’m thinking maybe some sort of ministry related to helping women out of patriarchy. We’ve talked a bit privately about how damaging and heartbreaking it can be; you’re poised to take it to the next level, I think.
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Marcia may be onto something here. I know there is definitely a need. It seems that there are two camps – the patriarchy camp and the raging feminist camp. Any woman who wants to be a BIBLICAL woman is pretty much left to flounder on her own.
Posted by Marcia on January 17, 2007 at 10:07 am
Look at that smarty Keer, using a period to separate her paragraphs.
Posted by Julie on January 17, 2007 at 10:31 am
Marcia ~ to answer your question… professional bias. I worked as an administrator in a hospital in which the only positions I had available for new graduates was night shift. The areas I staffed were the ICUs and the cardiac units. All my experienced staff worked straight day shift BY CONTRACT. On the rare occassion a day shift became available, one of the night nurse quickly snatched it up. I had to fill new positions based upon seniority. Generally this meant my most experienced night nurse went to day shift. I only had a handful of RN’s on nights with more than 2 years of experience.
Even in the face of a nursing shortage, I did not hire new graduates from associates degree program. I did hire nurses with associate degrees if they came with hospital (versus nursing home or outpatient) experience, even if that experience was as an LPN and the nurse had newly graduated from a flex program. I didn’t feel that the associates program had sufficient clinical experience to place the nurse on night shift without the support of administration and physicians.
My first choice may have been to hire these nurses on to day shift, but the RN contract did not allow me this freedom.
Posted by Marcia on January 17, 2007 at 11:24 am
Gotcha, Julie. That’s pretty rare, though. I’ve never had trouble getting a job I wanted, and I don’t know of any other ADN’s who have, either.
Also, if someone is going to work while finishing a BSN, the RN position will pay more than an LPN.
And with shift differentials being so high these days, day shift positions aren’t that hard to come by. An extra five dollars an hour makes the night shift a lot more attractive, you know?
Posted by Tom on January 17, 2007 at 11:35 am
Molly,
I appreciate your blog so much. It’s true, honest, good. Your writing enables me to see my own wife and daughters from another perspective, a perspective that usually broadens and/or deepens my own understanding of womanhood, of motherhood, of marriage, of ministry.
On more than one occasion, my hopes and dreams for them, for us, have been re-shaped by something you’ve written. Though far more frequently I’ve read one of your posts and felt compelled to release my hopes and dreams for them so that they can have the freedom to find and follow their own. Thanks.
Posted by Holy Experience on January 17, 2007 at 11:55 am
The God who weaves it all for good, who has yesterday, today, and tomorrow in His hands, has you too. Hold on, girl, with radical, ruthless trust!
Posted by paisley3 on January 20, 2007 at 8:24 am
Hello Molly, I know I’m a late arriver on your posting on this. I just want to encourage you in your teasing out the truth for your life.
I was exactly where you are when I was 31. I am now 49 (almost–I can take it–it’s what I am). I was in the conservative world and coming out into my own. I took the same steps you are taking. I am still pursuing my masters degree now because God won’t let me stop. He created my brain and my abilities and He isn’t done with me yet.
On another note: Whatever you chose to own for your path, remember that it may change at different junctures in the road. It has for me. God is in it each step.
Also, meandering thoughts…where I live, there are nurses who work three 12-hour shifts a week and that is considered “full time” enough for benefits. I did not choose this path, but wish I had because it would still allow me flexibility with my kids and ministry passions. That’s just me.
So, in the end: God created me with a brain and I feel it is my responsibility to take it as far as God wants me to take it. Just recently at my annual physical, my doc said, “well, maybe soon you can quit working now that your kids are almost raised and out of college.” I told him back, “My husband doesn’t have that option, so neither do I. We’re in this together.” He was taken aback. He looked at me with new eyes. It changed his views on roles. He understands better what I am made of. I owned ME more in that moment than I ever knew. How many men are trapped into the stress of the roles they have been thrust into???
I will keep up with your writing. I’ve enjoyed it so many times…If you need encouragement from someone else in the trenches and in a masters program online, give me a shout.
God bless,
Paisley from Chicago area
Posted by molleth on January 20, 2007 at 9:15 am
Thanks so much, Paisley.
Posted by paisley3 on January 20, 2007 at 9:41 am
This also came to memory: from the Jesus Creed site…
“What is faith? Does faith require mindless, unreasoned assent?
Biblical faith is not a blind faith. Biblical faith says, based on what God has done in the past, I’m going to trust Him for the present and the future. So Abraham and the exodus generation got miracles to show that God could do what He promised for the future — but the future generations were told to look back at what God had done and trust Him based on those. This repeats for the New Testament era.
Some Christians do, unfortunately, bill blind faith as the best kind of faith, but God does not require that of us, and it tends to make us do stupid things when we try to use blind faith where careful consideration would have served us better.”
I think this reflects what you are doing: taking time for careful consideration.
Also, a big thinker for me when I was going through your age stage was Carole Gilligan: Women’s Ways of Knowing. I think you KNOW so much from what you have learned so far. That foundation already is serving you so well.
Posted by Psalmist on January 20, 2007 at 10:47 am
Paisley, that’s great! Those small moments when our integrity, quietly spoken, teaches someone something profound about who we are. Brava!
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I think you and Molly both are being faithful in an intelligent way. I think of Mary, the mother of Jesus. The angel gave her the time she needed to ask the questions necessary for her choice to be an informed one. She made it, and we’re all profoundly different because of that choice. I believe God delights in our exploration of our choices. I really do think that sometimes there are many good, godly choices and God doesn’t necessarily have one and only one for us to choose (not like the old “Price is Right” where there are three curtains, but only one has a good prize behind it; choose the wrong curtain and you get a mountain of manure or something.)
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Here’s how I’ve found it to be true in my life: Make the best godly choice you can, and walk with awareness as God makes the path visible, holding especially tight with faithful hands when you can’t see very far ahead.
Posted by Carol Boquet on April 21, 2007 at 7:31 pm
Carol Boquet
I Googled for something completely different, but found your page…and have to say thanks. nice read.
Posted by mongoosemom on February 15, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Hey Molly,
This is an exciting place to be. There is an excellent book on this topic called “The Myth of the Perfect Mother.” Can’t remember the author right now. I read it a couple of years back, and it totally changed my then narrow view of what a Christian mother looks like. Very freeing, and yes a bit scary. But hey, keeping things shaked up is good, right?
Leigh Anne aka mongoosemom