[This comment of mine, turned blog-post, comes from this excellent and interesting conversation here].
When I was patriarchal, I *claimed* I was previously an egalitarian [and/or feminist] prior to becoming patriarchal. In fact, that was part of my “testimony.” It went something like,
Prior to being patriarchal, I was selfish and disrespectful and a lousy partner. After I embraced patriarchy, I became much sweeter and more pleasant to live with. See, patriarchy is God’s way!
In retrospect, however, I was never a Christian egalitarian (at least not as described here). I was honestly just FOR MYSELF. I had no clue what egalitarian was! I was anti-patriarchy simply because I didn’t want anyone telling me what to do. In other words, I was profoundly selfish.
I think that’s an important distinction to make, because the egalitarian message is NOT simply that “there is no hierarchy.” That’s not really a message at all. The Christian egalitarian message is that we are all called to walk in the fruits of the Spirit toward one another: that husband and wife both need to learn to walk in patience, gentleness, kindness, that husband and wife both need to submit one to another, to love one another as Christ loved us, to respect one another as fellow heirs of the Kingdom.
So while I once was rabidly anti-patriarchy, I was also (though I did not know it) rabidly anti-Christ, in that I despised the idea of serving anyone but myself.
The Christian egalitarian message is not about, “not having to submit.” It’s actually the opposite. It’s very radical and VERY demanding of both partners. It is a radical call to love and serve. It is a radical call to prefer another before oneself.
There are many couples (most in America, I’d bet) who do not believe in gender hierarchy, but who are EMPHATICALLY not practicing the egalitarian message of mutual submission/love/respect. So just because someone doesn’t believe in gendered roles does NOT make them “egalitarian.” Just because I used to spit on the idea of submitting to anyone but myself does not mean I was once an egalitarian. It just means I was a bitch.
Edit to Add:
Which also brings me to add the good things that patriarchy brought me. Patriarchy caused me to have to take a long hard look in the mirror at myself, at a self who wanted no one but her on the throne, a self who trusted little (God or man), and who gave even less. Patriarchy helped me learn to humble myself, to learn how to take a backseat, to grow in the fine art of not always getting ones own way as well as the fine art of living for someone else’s glory.
At the time, I erroneously thought that patriarchy was the only way to learn these things. I now strongly believe that following Love’s path causes everyone, male or female, to learn how to walk in humility, gentleness, patience, and service. The Law of Christ is Love, which does not need gender roles in order to show it’s face.
Patriarchy taught me to submit because I was a woman. The law of Christ teaches me to submit because He is humble. Love stands on stage when it is Love to do so, and Love takes a backseat when it is Love to do so (just as Love is a kind word as well as a forceful shake). Love doesn’t check for gender, it just loves. It is the fact that I am human and belong to Christ that determines for me that I must learn this impossible of impossibles: to love, because Love is His Way.

















Posted by Cassandra on February 12, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Oh my, the ‘B’ word. I am shocked, Molly! =)(and yes, I have been MIA, but that’s because of my incredibly busy life. I would love to comment on the thought provoking posts, but alas, no time. You’ll just have to imagine my comments. = )
Posted by Psalmist on February 12, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Oh, Molly! I just can’t picture you as a “b-word,” but I so appreciate your testimony on this. I occasionally hear people who say they “used to be egalitarian,” but then what they say about egalitarianism makes it clear that they just don’t know what that means, at least not Christian egalitarianism.
Thank you, thank you!
Posted by Psalmist on February 12, 2008 at 6:30 pm
As an example of what one peson THINKS egalitarianism is all about, there’s a woman who posts around the blogosphere occasionally (and has very recently) that Castro’s Cuba is an egalitarian country. That’s why she hates egalitarianism and egalitarians; she says we’re all communists! (boggle)
Posted by Annie on February 12, 2008 at 6:36 pm
I really like you! Why can’t I meet people like this in real life? Or maybe they are around but we just don’t talk about this stuff out loud. It seems so dangerous to mention discussions like this in Christian circles (or to throw in a swear word or a beer or whatever things Christians supposedly aren’t supposed to do). You never know who will flip out over something. I’ve gotten so many shocked looks for things I thought were very tame and it hurts to feel people turn away from me for certain beliefs I hold. And I’m not even talking about the big shocking stuff (like your post a while back on inerrancy of scripture).
Posted by tonia on February 12, 2008 at 8:08 pm
YES!! and a big hug from your fellow-traveler who is discovering this all along with you. I find the egalatarian mindset so much more demanding and so much more liberating than my old way.
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Press on, dear friend. May we go lower and lower, and lose more of ourSELVES together.
Posted by Kerryn on February 12, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Molly
your candor and clarity of expression ‘rock’!
Good job in sharing your journey.
(-:
kerryn
Posted by Shawn on February 13, 2008 at 6:09 am
… a seriously good and well articulated post! Thanks, Molly! Be encouraged ….
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Posted by Alaina on February 13, 2008 at 11:32 am
I love this. This really speaks to me today, as I was in a Bible Study where ‘Created to be his Helpmeet’ and other such things were brought up. I bit my lip and listened to women say exactly these things – I have been saved from feminism and the like.
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I like to think that I have been saved from anti-feminism, but whatever. Anyway Molly, great thoughts. Thanks for telling the truth.
Posted by molleth on February 13, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Gar…
I just spent a few minutes responding to each of these comments and then…poof…gone…
*grumps off*
Posted by Kathy on February 13, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Oh, this was wonderful!
Posted by Alison on February 13, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Stop confusing me! Have you been changing your template every five minutes? I just followed a link to another page and when I came back to yours it was different again. Ha! I feel like Annie, “Why can’t I meet people like this in real life?” I really love this post, Molly
Posted by pistolpete on February 13, 2008 at 6:25 pm
It seems I’m always the contrarian among your blog commenters.
Actually, I thinking you capture well some important social/spiritual truths. I would only add this thought -
You wrote:
“The Law of Christ is Love, which does not need gender roles in order to show it’s face.”
You are right that love does not need gender roles to show its face. Yet, love can (and often does) work in and through distinct gender roles to express itself.
Posted by chewymom on February 13, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Molly, I think you are right on! What you REALLY needed to learn was submission. Not because you are a woman, but because you are a Christian. I daresay there are a lot of men out there who need to learn submission as well, but nobody is going to tell them that or show them what it looks like, other than to say, “Submit to the authorities, so don’t drive over the speed limit.”
I love how thinking from an egalitarian viewpoint allows you to be fully submissive and yet also fully and equally HUMAN–not some sub-human species who is “less than” the man. Like you, I might never have learned submission if I had never entered the complimentarian camp, but I’m so glad I’ve been able to keep walking and come out on this side.
Posted by molleth on February 13, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Yeah, chewy, I think that ALL of us need to learn to follow, to work for the glory of someone besides ourselves. And, of equal importance (for the personalities more bent on following and afraid of leading), we ALL also need to learn to lead. It’s good to know how to do both (and Paul said something to that effect, “to abase and to abound, to…”).
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Pistol, I agree (love *can* be and is there) and then somewhat disagree (just because love *can* be there doesn’t make the system itself the best one), but I go into that more over at Complegalitarian so I”ll leave it over there… That’s your big invite, too, btw, to come on over there and share your thoughts. It’s always so good to have a nice mix represented.
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I’d rattle on more but I’m still annoyed that my previous long comment got eaten by cyberspace.
That, and we just rented Ugly Betty and it’s HILARIOUS so I have to go snuggle with my honey and watch…
Posted by Jemila on February 14, 2008 at 11:35 am
I love this! Gorgeous articulation of what life and intimacy invite us to be in Love.
Posted by gendered out on February 14, 2008 at 2:48 pm
PP,
You wrote,
Yet, love can (and often does) work in and through distinct gender roles to express itself.
This is something I would not know about.
Violence, despair, deprivation of rights over one’s own body, discouragement from spending time with one’s own family or friends, further education, all investment going into the husband’s career, which may or may not be successful.
Wanting to step in front of a train.
When is someone going to set up rehab for those human beings destroyed by obligatory gender roles?
Posted by Bryan Riley on February 15, 2008 at 4:05 am
Fantastic, Molly. Really good stuff. Not just saying it. Ya know.
Posted by chewymom on February 15, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Gendered Out
Wow. I don’t know what to say but I’m so sorry for what you have experienced. I just couldn’t read your comment without offering a cyber-hug.
Posted by kyla on February 16, 2008 at 9:28 am
I have been out of the blog world for the last couple of weeks. I was so happy when I was catching up on your posts to this read this particular entry. Its amazing how simple it really is when you break it down to the greatest commandment of all “love the Lord your God and love others”. Can we truly be loving if we are imposing gender roles and regulations on others? Isn’t submission just love in action? I have been a Christian since I was 5 years old and 26 years later it finally seems so simple!!