
After the “unsafeness” of the whacko church of my young-adult-met-Jesus days (that is, my Bible College, where I learned so much and yet also learned that the leader was getting cozy with some of the female staff, but with a doctrine of authority similar to the Shepherding Movement’s, we were taught it was more important to the Lord that we not speak against “God’s annointed” than it was to confront him for sexual sin!), the safety and the promises of the Cult-of-”Biblical”-Family were oxygen to my starving lungs. I gripped this apparent life-raft, guaranteeing myself a secure and godly future, and held on tight. This would be my salvation. I just knew that these people would pull me into safety.
Unfortunately this Cult-of-”Biblical”-Family group is thriving, becoming more and more mainstream among conservative Christian families. It can be found in groups like Vision Forum and books like “Passionate Housewives,” and “So Much More.” I feasted on writings by Douglas Wilson, Michael Pearl, and Mary Pride—teaching tapes from Denny Keneston and Jonathan Lindvall and from websites like Ladies Against Feminism. These groups all made bold statements about who goes where, who does what, who thinks what, who says what. They painted thick black lines, making borders easy and clear, and slung God’s name around all over the place, making their claims wear halos and appear deeply supported by Scripture.
I praised God and I set my eyes sternly on the road ahead. We would be a holy people. We would have a great marriage. We would raise good and godly children. We would find the one true theological camp that was without error. We would, we would, we would, all because there were simple formulas to follow, simple clearcut paths to walk. The road might be a narrow one, but it was God’s, so it was worth taking. I took a deep breath and plunged in.

Thus began my bondage to legalism, pride, and theological certainty that would become my undoing. I am now, truly, gratefully disallusioned. But that didn’t and doesn’t make disallusionment easy or painless. Walking out of my tidy world of boxes has come at great cost. But, more importantly, this time (instead of coming out only to jump into a new pit), I’ve been trying to disentangle slowly, carefully, looking closely at each insidious octupus arm I pry and cut off of my heart.
I am human, therefore I will always be vulnerable to deception, but if and/or when I ever walk into a pit again, at least it won’t be the same one.

One of the biggest things I (have and) am learning is to beware the formulas for perfection. Parenting advice, for example. These formulas can come from the ultra-conservatives (”If your child is whining, swat him. Soon, your children will all have happy hearts.”) and these formulas can also come from the other sides (”Your child is whining because you aren’t co-sleeping with him!”). Both ways, a formula is promised to “fix” a person. If you follow a, b, and c, you will get the outcome you want.
But the fact is, people are, uh, people. They are not Ford trucks that come out of factory assembly lines. So how did I get off treating people as if they were inanimate objects? How did I get off dumping the Holy Spirit for formulas? Why was the formulaic approach so seductively appealing to me?
I know exactly how. Because formulas, even the demanding kind, take a LOT less work. People, on the other hand are messy, complicated, and complex. It’s a lot easier to shove a formula at them then actually relate, then actually hear, then actually step into their shoes. Sheesh, it’s a lot easier to shove a formula at my own heart than it is to delve in there and slog through the murky waters with who-knows-what-God-awful creatures are swimming around in there. I’d rather just paste a smile on my face and move on.
Don’t ask me why I thought God approved of pasty-smiles more than He did me looking into the deep of my heart, but I really truly thought He did. When I first began finally dealing with what was in there, instead of slapping on the “righteous cheer” (which was actually, despite it’s spiritual sounding veneer, just a coping mechanism for avoiding VALID glaring problems), I thought I was going to be struck dead.
What a SHALLOW view of God I had. What a WRONG view of God I had. I mean, good grief, what kind of “God” just wants a smile instead of a heart?
But since that was the version of God I served, it flowed down. That’s what I wanted from all the people around me. Don’t make me have to connect with your heart (because that would be messy, bloody, and besides: I might have to actually engage); just give me a cheerful looking smile.
“I don’t care if being a stay home mom feels like death, friend. What your real problem is is that you are whining and thus rebelling against God. You just need to paste on a smile and it will all work out fine.” “I don’t care if you are freaking out upset that your dolly’s dress just fell in the mud, kid. What you need to do is politely ask Mommy to help you, or I’m going to swat you for that sinful whining that will cause you to go to hell.”
“I don’t care if you are struggling with your marriage and it hurts like hell, woman. What you should do is read this excellent book by ____, start constantly submitting and smiling at all times, and then all your problems will be solved.” “I don’t care if you think homeschooling is hard and you hate it, mother. You just have to ___ [fill in blank with whatever curriculum or philosophy is in vogue] and you’ll love it!”
Anyone note the ever-constant theme? It’s there, always, in everything they do: Formula over relationship. It comes from hyper-conservative and hyper-liberal and all sorts of other places, but it doesn’t matter where it comes from: it’s NOT God’s Way, period. Yet it’s aaaalways been a draw, right from the get-go, right from Eden and the first temptation of the snake. Paul wrote Galatians for this very reason, because the Early Church, even with their apostles that had actually walked with Christ, was still completely human and therefore ever-vulnerable to being sucked into the path of least resistance.
Formula over relationship is numblingly mind-blowingly attractive, no matter how hard the formula is to follow, because even the difficult ones STILL demand SO MUCH less of us than real heart-to-heart relating does.
This is why Paul says in Corinthians that we can be burned at the stake or give all we have to the poor, and yet still be without the one thing God wants us to have: Love. Love is never a formula. Love is what living breathing things can do, and what you can do with living breathing things. (Try showing 1 Corinthians 13 Love to a rock, if you think I’m lying).
You can be burned for the truth, you can give all your possessions away, and yet still never walk in another’s shoes, never turn your heart towards Yahweh and bask in His smile, never ever LOVE. All the formula requires is my will-power, my behaviour, my emotions. Boring. Easy. Anyone can do that. But what God wants is to love me. And He wants the deep down parts of me, even my ugly slimey heart-waters, my naked thoughts, my screwed up head—all of me—turned His way and smiling at Him in love.
He always smiles back. And that’s all He wants. Two plain-Jane booooring old commandments: Love God and Love Others. So simple. So unbelievably demanding. It is so much easier to turn back to the Law and find soothing comfort there. The Law gives us clear boundaries. The Law lets us rest in the formula, lets us keep our feet clean, lets us remain detached.
The Law is gives me that rubber bottle nipple and lets me suck my way into peaceful slumber. I don’t have to engage. All I have to do is follow the formula. Good God, we make salvation itself into a formula instead of a relationship. No wonder we can so easily get it wrong every where else.

















Posted by Lydia on March 29, 2008 at 5:36 pm
I am so sick of you condemning us mothers who have chosen to bottle feed! Equivocating a rubber nipple with the Law?! And dragging formula into it?! I’m so sure! Not everyone is able to, nor wants to, breast-feed. It’s this type of narrow-minded, legalistic tripe that drives me crazy. I’m never reading your blog again!!! AAACKK!!!
Posted by molleth on March 29, 2008 at 5:38 pm
*rolls eyes*
Sometimes I debate over the benefits of having a sarcastic best friend…
Posted by Sandy on March 29, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Molly,
What a great post. I’ve been lurking here for a while and have enjoyed your insights, but this spoke to me. I can relate to this and have been there, done that for sure.
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I agree that formula over relstionship is a much easier (read lazier) way of managing. For instance, instead of looking into our child’s heart and discerning why the child is whining, we can lable it disobedience and we all know how to deal with that, don’t we. (Grimacing here)
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I would like to suggest another reason to add to this. I sometimes think part of why some of us fall for the legalism is because we are searching for a deeper relationship with God but don’t know how to get there from here.
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Also, there are many in the legalistic ministries who have come from abusive pasts, dysfuncitonal families, etc. and are looking for the things that many of these false teachers promise. Want to have a loving husband, perfect children, happiness, Beaver Cleaver/Little House on the Praire life? Just do these things and all of this can be yours. I sometimes wonder if that is why many of these women are into Victorian stuff. Romanaticizing a glorious family life. Looking for the perfect life they never had.
Posted by Nathan Bubna on March 29, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Amen! Best molleth post ever! We have a living, loving Lord not just some static, lifeless law. Praise be to our Father in heaven!
Posted by Beatrice on March 29, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Yes, amen. How do I start to comment? I’ll just muddle through it.
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“Don’t ask me why I thought God approved of pasty-smiles more than He did me looking into the deep of my heart, but I really truly thought He did. When I first began finally dealing with what was in there, instead of slapping on the “righteous cheer” (which was actually, despite it’s spiritual sounding veneer, just a coping mechanism for avoiding VALID glaring problems), I thought I was going to be struck dead.
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What a SHALLOW view of God I had. What a WRONG view of God I had. I mean, good grief, what kind of “God” just wants a smile instead of a heart?”
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Been there, do that. Am there, do that. Wretched me.
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Hey, if we’re gonna think judgement, FAKING what we deem the required amount of calm and positive emotion is the surest thing to get it, by our reasoning. Just dishonest.
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And I can’t make myself really feel happiness or contentment. Even if this is a sin by my standards ( pretty warped ones if so), which is the worst sin, having that rebellious struggle or bout of tears, and just getting it out, or pretending that you don’t have it? Thankfully, struggle doesn’t have to be sin at all.
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In the end, if I really care about God Himself, treat Him like a person, what am I going to do? I’m going to fight it out with Him every time. I don’t think He would have it any other way. This is the true submission to His will!
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I think that one of our biggest crimes as humans is not treating God as a PERSON. We do this more than we even do it to ourselves or others. It’s like a child stuffing money in his mother’s mouth when he’s thirsty, as if she was a Coke machine.
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“This is why Paul says in Corinthians that we can be burned at the stake or give all we have to the poor, and yet still be without the one thing God wants us to have: Love. Love is never a formula. Love is what living breathing things can do, and what you can do with living breathing things. (Try showing 1 Corinthians 13 Love to a rock, if you think I’m lying). ”
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Yeah.
Posted by molleth on March 29, 2008 at 7:26 pm
WOW. What great comments. You guys said it way better than I did. Thanks. Lots of good stuff to chew on.
Posted by TulipGirl on March 29, 2008 at 8:20 pm
Amen, and amen.
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And, amen to what Sandy said, too.
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And, it’s hard to look at these things in our own life. It takes great struggle and honesty to come to the place of recognizing “. . my bondage to legalism, pride, and theological certainty.” Like you said, “I am now, truly, gratefully disallusioned. But that didn’t and doesn’t make disallusionment easy or painless.”
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Just admitting (to yourself, to others) that pride and legalism and all were part of your (my) issues and the appeal of formulaic Christianity, people will point and say, “See! The problem wasn’t the formula! The problem was YOU! You were the legalist! You didn’t use flexibility and common sense!” Once again, vulnerable people will be scapegoated to excuse the purveyors of principle. . .
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Anyway. . . I find that in Christianity, God is walking alongside us, each on our own journeys. And where you are and where I am may be very different–yet God brings us through some of the same valleys and so we can encourage one another.
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Grace and peace,
Posted by RichardD on March 30, 2008 at 2:24 am
Wow! Molleth – This is a great post. I too am from a Fundie background. My pastor (and father) is a loving man and cared deeply for his congregation, never was found to be involved in scandal, and always directed the congregation to confront him if he was off-base, as long as they did so by use of scripture. But the affects of the Fundamentalist dogma affect my retired parents even to this day.
We, too, have been on the receiving end of the just-do-this parenting techniques. Our son’s medical conditions have always brought up the phrase, “It’s a sin problem” rather than, “you might want to talk to a doctor who specializes in….” That is, until about a week ago when I finally received a recommendation from another Christian to look into a particular doctor who specializes in my son’s condition. My son is now 12 years old. Better late than never, eh?
The one concern that I have as people wake up to Legalism and its problems is that they are not simply left in a vacuum with nowhere to turn and no focus in their spiritual lives. Relationship is, of course, very important. But I think it’s a little too “squishy” for most of us to understand. The theological/biblical application that has helped me the most to refocus on the right thing (as opposed to focusing on formula) is a recognition of the absolute sovereignty of a loving God–a God who wants us to obey, but not just because he wants obedience, but because that obedience will bring us fulfillment and happiness. The only thing that can satisfy us is God–not a personal struggle to reach a level of holiness that is presented by abusive spiritual leaders–but actually pressing into God, knowing God, loving God. God ALWAYS satisfies, and when we turn to him for our satisfaction we are truly freed from the bondage of sin and from the bondage of Legalism.
Thanks for the post. Keep up the good work. I like your blog.
Posted by TheNormalMiddle on March 30, 2008 at 6:02 am
Ah, so much I could say. But Molly, you know how I feel. I am right there with you.
Give me relationship over formula every time.
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But what is maddening to me is that I, not bragging, but I with an IQ of a genius and all my “smarts” about me, fell for this stupid stuff. I fell, hook-line-and-sinker for it. I do not understand why we as God-created human beings crave such boundaries and formulas the way we do. Why can’t we be satisifed for relationships the way God really intended us to work?
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Instead we go and muddy up the waters with our own rules, regulations, and formulas.
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I get so MAD at myself when I see how stupid I was to get involved in this mess of a thing, thinly veiled as “perfect Christianity”
Posted by Bryan Riley on March 30, 2008 at 6:15 am
Honesty hits homeruns every time and you do it well.
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I have said this a few times lately, so if you’ve read it elsewhere, I apologize, but one of the many thigns we can praise God for is that although He is absolutely internally consistent, He also is utterly unpredictable. His methods are simply not subject to our planning and ideas. We have to learn to trust the Holy Spirit to guide each one of us and not cast judgment on others who may or may not be following exactly what God has asked of them.
Posted by Michelle on March 30, 2008 at 6:23 am
Molly,
I have been reading your blog for a couple months now, and find it so interesting how much your posts speak to me. It is a lot of the same issues I am dealing with now. I talk to my dh about how sick I am of all the legalism around us.
I am tired of people throwing “child training” manuals (just that term-ACK!) at us, promising first time obedient, perfect children.
I am tired of women telling me if I don’t have a good day, I “haven’t spent enough time in the Word”.
I am tired of them telling me I should be dresses only, homebirth only, no vaccinations, whole foods only, in constant unquestioning submission to my dh, etc.
I could go on and on. The point is, my spirit is TIRED. I just need a break to examine it all and get things figured out.
All that to say, thanks for putting into words what is floating around in my (and I venture lots of others’) head.
Posted by Amy Brigham on March 30, 2008 at 8:11 am
I am popping over from True Womanhood and just wanted to give you a big THANK YOU for sharing this post, Molly! It’s been a year since I first began to see through the pretty packaged VF lifestyle, and so much of what you have expressed are feelings and thoughts that have been floating about in my head lately.
Posted by Psalmist on March 30, 2008 at 12:07 pm
EXCELLENT entry, Molly! GOOOOOOD stuff!
I’ve learned a lot in my near half-century of life, and one of the important lessons is this:
If it comes offered to you in a neat, tidy, all-questions-answered, all-inclusive package, it’s probably not worth the tissue it’s wrapped in.
The invitation to truly be a disciple of Jesus Christ doesn’t give us easy answers. Jesus invited “Follow me,” and “Come and see” to those who would be his disciples, and Philip was honest enough to give the latter “answer” to Nathanael about Jesus (see John 1:35-51). Following Jesus is a journey, not a pre-packaged, all-inclusive tour.
IMO, the VF/Patriarchy/PM kinds of packages are too slick, too easy-answer to be genuine. Too many of us prove they don’t have all the answers.
Posted by Maureen E on March 30, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Very good post! I always wonder how the cut-and-dried formula can be reconciled with Paul’s passage about the BODY of Christ, each part having it’s own function. Well, it can’t really be reconciled, I suppose.
Posted by Kievas Fargo on March 30, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Formula is so much easier to follow, and be comfortable with. Relationships are hard work!
Posted by Rachel on March 30, 2008 at 6:58 pm
What a wonderful post! I have to link to it tomorrow as I’ve already written the post for today, but I will do so.
You are so, so right. It really is all about style (the veneer on the outside) vs. substance (the true heart). Us messy, complicated people simply want a way to tie up all the loose ends, no matter how wacked-out the process. When you’re deeply involved in something and committed to its “rightness”, you are usually surrounded by people in exactly the same situation…so there are no checks or balances, no questioning going on. Lots of yes men, and cold dismissal if you venture outside the formula box.
Thanks Molly!
Posted by Joanna on March 31, 2008 at 2:24 am
Hi Molly – I comment on truewomanhood occasionally, and visited you from there.
One of the things I find weirdest about all of these blogs and questions is how tied up people are with theological questions. As a younger Christian (I’m 47 now) I also tried to intellectualize all of my Christianity, looking for the best translation, the most accurate gloss, the sharpest exegesis, the most doctrinally correct analysis. It wore me out so much, (think hamster in wheel, unable to get out) it drove me away from Christ completely . . . no, only semi-joking here, what really drove me away from evangelical Christianity was the legalism of the evangelicals at Cambridge, where I was at university (England), and the harshness with which they judged everyone but their own.
After many years of struggle (your Hound of Heaven comment really resonates with me, ‘cos He’s been after me for years) I finally came to the conclusion that nothing required me to look for the doctrinally correct, or the legalistically perfect. All I am required to do is to love God with all my heart and with all my soul, with all my mind, and with all my strength, and to love my neighbour as myself. The rest is just window dressing. Some is pretty window dressing, some is poisonous, some is plain evil, but it’s all inessential. The more I focus on what I’m doing right, or wrong, the less I focus on doing what God wants me to do – to love.
And although it sounds simple it’s actually damn hard, because you have to try to walk your walk loking outward to what God wants you to be doing, (loving) not inward to what you should be being. I cannot (and believe me, I’ve tried) to believe by convincing myself that the Bible is inerrant, or that there is an intellectual basis to my belief. I can only believe by clinging to those two commandments of Christ’s and trying to do what he wants me to do.
Here’s a sonnet for you:
No hiding place, beneath so sheen a sky
Such terrible, bright, regard. No rack of cloud
To shelter me from His all-seeing eye
No rest from his un-pity. Crying loud,
My plea, in vain, one shadow, I implore
One dappled day, from pagan ways I trod
To no avail – fiercer the heat, which more
And more burns self from me, stripped before God.
Yet no winds kind are as his charity,
No rain so grateful as his ready grace
Poured out on those who in humility
and love desire only Love’s own embrace.
I – fly from such fierce love, yet burned I see
In Fire the only Love that can heal me.
What is sad is how often we fail – in charity and faith and hope – unless we are continually seeking to be in his grace
Posted by Sarah Schmitz on March 31, 2008 at 10:24 am
At some point, when we begin to see the folly of formula following, we recognize that we often take ourselves much more seriously than we do God’s provision. God grants us wisdom. God grants us peace. God grants us strength. But they are gifts from Him as we cope with our own unique experiences in this life. Man-made formulas to mold us, our children, our churches serve merely as a prop for our pride. They distract us from the existential moment by moment faith and reliance upon our Creator who is infinitely powerful, creative, and loving. Our books and words will pass away but He will never fail us.
Posted by molleth on March 31, 2008 at 12:49 pm
WoW. There are some incredible comments here. I’m enjoying reading and pondering. Thanks.
Posted by Atlantic on March 31, 2008 at 3:49 pm
The essence of this post is absolutely spot-on.
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There is one sentence that worries me just a little: “He always smiles back.”
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God always loves you, that’s certain. However, something about describing it as “smiling back” makes we wonder if this could reflect an expectation that this is always going to feel good – that you get to “bask in His smile”.
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You are right that it is absolutely necessary to love. However, it’s even possible for this to turn into a trap, a system, a formula, especially if one is still looking for something that “always works”. Even if you throw out all the legalistic stuff, deal with all the messy painful stuff, and LOVE…love is better than anything else, but this is still not a contract where if you do that, God has to give you spiritual consolations at least.
Posted by molleth on March 31, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Good point, Atlantic, and thanks for pointing it out. For clarification’s sake, no, I do not believe that being loved by God always results in emotionally or physically (or spiritually, for that matter!) FEELING it. The Father certainluy loved the Son, but the Son certainly did not always FEEL it (Father, Father, why hast Thou forsaken Me?).
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One of my favorite quotes is from Spurgeon,
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“Though He slay me, I will trust
Praise Him, even from the dust
Prove, and tell it as I prove,
Thine unutterable Love.”
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There are times when all one sees is darkness and death. Those are the times when Feeling and Faith are seperated and one can see which one has truly been the motivator.
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Also, I agree: ANYTHING and EVERYTHING can be turned into a trap, a system, a formula. We are humans, after all.
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I want to blog about that one of these days, as it is one of the other “big things” I’ve been learning while walking out of legalism: that there is no perfect system, no perfect formula, no perfect group. I’ve been looking for one for so long…hoping/wishing it was out there. [This is the death of my Orthodox meanderings, Jacob, sorry to say, though certainly not the death of my respect for much of what I found there].
Posted by Beatrice on March 31, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Molly, this last comment … so true. That Spurgeon quote hits me very hard.
Posted by Beatrice on March 31, 2008 at 7:17 pm
I am enjoying this conversation so much! I wish I could jump in more. I will try and get this down though …
I’ve reading Russian literature for school lately (it is the BESSSST!) and today I read Tolstoy’s Death of Ivan Illyich, about a dying man who realises he never really lived for anything worthwhile. I love how profound Tolstoy is, anyway … at the funeral scene everyone is paying their respects, and his wife is weeping loudly … but it’s so clear that they’re posturing, they’re pretending, they don’t really care about Ivan. It’s revealing that one of his “friends” is worrying about whether to cross himself or bow or whatever, worrying what the proper posture is … not thinking about his dead friend at all! Tolstoy deftly is commenting on how just how wretched we humans are, and how we use empty postures and formula to conceal our lack of love!
Posted by molleth on March 31, 2008 at 7:23 pm
I. LOVE. RUSSIAN. LIT.
*deep lusty sigh*
Posted by Canaan on April 1, 2008 at 10:51 pm
One of the best blog posts I have ever read. Inspired me to speak and be brutally honest with myself and others. This is going in my prayer notebook…to remind me….love and relationship over formula.
Posted by Atlantic on April 2, 2008 at 5:14 pm
“…there is no perfect system, no perfect formula, no perfect group. I’ve been looking for one for so long…hoping/wishing it was out there. [This is the death of my Orthodox meanderings…”
Prices in a market are the condensation of the great mass of availability and desirability of goods and services in a given economy, by everyone involved. The huge complex mass of the availability and desirability of goods and services as expressed and acted on by ordinary human beings is the iceberg, and the price information is the articulated tip of the iceberg. If one tries to institute a planned, ‘rational’ economy, one destroys the way that the price information comes to be and destroys the price information itself, so the “rational” economy turns out to be a irrational, unworkable disaster.
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Molly, in my longer comment last week, I mentioned that I wasn’t quite sure I understood what you meant by a perfect system, and now I really am interested in exploring this issue further.
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The reason is that I suspect that what we have here is very important paradigm difference. I’m only coming to grips with it myself, so please forgive the awkwardness of this explanation, and please don’t take it as a full and clear explanation.
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To put it as simply as I can at this point: on one hand there are ‘systems’ (let’s call these type 1) that are essentially a finite list of articulated rules and principles; and on the other hand, there are ‘systems’ (type 2) where the formally articulated part is the tip of the iceberg of the thing itself, which is a much more complex entity.
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You’re probably familiar with a version of this distinction as it is often expressed in economics, especially if you’ve been reading libertarians recently.
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Systems of type 1 are characteristic of Enlightenment thought and underpin classic liberalism, as well as later developments like ‘progressive’ liberalism, and more obviously toxic systems such as communism – and also of some types of Protestantism (including, I strongly suspect, the types you’ve mostly been involved with). They are often attempts at a ‘perfect system’. America was founded at a classically liberal moment, and type 1 systems are the dominant paradigm in American thought, including amongst most American mainstream conservatives (although American society is definitely not a pure type 1 system). (Personally, it took me ages to break outside this type 1 paradigm, and I ‘m still working on it. I was reading well-known books on conservative or Catholic thought and I simply could not understand some sentences. I would plough on, and eventually some example would light up a little corner of the puzzle…and then I’d go back and suddenly things would start making sense. I stress the ‘start’ part of that.
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Systems of type 2 are characteristic of traditional and conservative entities, including traditional societies and the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. They are typically not attempts at a ‘perfect system’ in the type 1 sense, but are concrete, complex expressions of a transcendent reality rooted in what already has existed. Such type 2 systems may well have ideals that they are striving towards, but tend to be more sceptical of radical change in a type 1 fashion, perceiving that such change is by definition damaging or destructive of the present order, while quite unlikely to deliver the promised ideals. They are far more accepting of a present order that works and expresses a transcendent reality, albeit imperfectly.
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That is one reason why Catholics (and Orthodox too, I’d guess) are willing to simultaneously recognise the imperfections of the Church as humanly constituted in this world, and also believe it to be the One True Church, pillar and foundation of the truth, founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ Who didn’t make any mistakes when He set the whole thing up.
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To quote from a classic, The Spirit of Catholicism by Karl Adam, “And, therefore, the Church has no use for any merely human and temporal civilisation; her ideal is an eternal one, and consists in the establishment of God’s Kingdom in the souls of men…That is the first point. And the second point is this, that the Church, in the light of our Lord’s eschatological teaching, is seen to be necessarily incomplete and imperfect. The Church of the present is not as yet the whole and full Kingdom of God. It is a field of wheat in which there is still much cockle, a net that contains both good and bad fish. True, the spirit that dominates her is the Spirit of Jesus, and the forces that pulsate through her are the living forces of her risen Saviour. Bu the men in whom this divine life is active are men confined within the bonds of their corrupt bodies, and therefore they are incomplete men and will remain so, until the Lord come…That is the tragedy of the Church and God’s present Kingdom, that there should be this contrast between her temporal manifestation and her divine idea, between her actual state and that great and holy thing which liveth in her.”
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Incidentally, although I’m using the word ‘system’ here, the connotations of the word are biased in favour of type 1 systems; type 2 ‘systems’ are more like organisms. One could make an analogy to type 1 systems being like machines which humans invent and can theoretically understand completely. Type 2 systems are more like living organisms, which we didn’t personally invent; which are too complex for us to understand, even theoretically; and which have a transcendent ‘meaning’ or ‘essence’ that goes being the sum of the parts. Some people cite an evolutionary model (which is perfectly valid here): a type 2 system can be seen as the accumulation of evolutionary change in a society or community, where what works is kept, whatever doesn’t work doesn’t survive, the parts and processes often relate to each other in non-obvious and highly complex ways that often backfire when you try to treat them as parts and processes in a machine.
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In fact, that is the key to traditional conservative thought: that human societies and communities are essentially type 2 organisms, and idealistic attempts to re-make them in a type 1 mould is treating the organism like a machine, damaging or killing it.
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I think this paradigm difference is why my reaction to your quote above was “So the Orthodox Church (and the Catholic Church!) are not perfect groups. This affects their claims to be the True Church how, exactly?”
Posted by Atlantic on April 2, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Oh, and in case it isn’t obvious, the type 1 / type 2 distinction is analogous to the formula / relationship distinction of your post title, and the fact that type 2 communities are like organisms rather than systems is directly related to the fact that the Church is the Body of Christ.
Posted by Atlantic on April 2, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Correction to third-to-last paragraph: “and which have a transcendent ‘meaning’ or ‘essence’ that goes beyond the sum of the parts.”
Also, in the second-to-last paragraph: “In fact, that is the key to traditional conservative thought”: the key is presumptious of me. It has been to me a key in understanding this.
Posted by molleth on April 2, 2008 at 9:23 pm
I can see that your comments are going to take more of my time than the 1 minute skim I just gave them. I’ll be back later when I have time to read carefully. I have felt, personally, that it’s like I’m “trapped,” as it were, viewing this whole issue through one particular lens, and that there are other lenses from which it might be seen…I’ve just yet to know what they are. So I’m really interested in what you just wrote! Thanks for taking the time to share your epiphany here.
Posted by molleth on April 2, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Okay…read carefully. Wow. That’s a lot to think about. It’s hard, from a place of skepticism, to be able to believe that anything organized can be anything but “machine/type1.”
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But the logical part of my brain realizes that one simply CANNOT work with a group of people, no matter how small, with out some level of organization. So I know that dumping anything “organized” is the same thing as saying I want to dump all things to do with people. Which…I don’t. (Well, sometimes I do, but…). Harharhar…
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I like the difference between the machine and the organism. I am becoming more and more allergic to the machine. But, if your paradigm explanation is correct, I’m not sure I am currently able to discern between what is alive and what is man-made.
Posted by Elisabeth on April 9, 2008 at 3:18 am
Molly,
I found your post very interesting. =) Someone posted the link on a forum I’m on, and so I read through it.
I really like a lot of what you have to say. Legalism drives me batty–I could say quite a lot on that point, but everyone else already has, too. =)
If you had any further plans for this (i. e., see if you could get it published in some magazine), I might suggest you take out some of the names of people/companies at the top. I almost stopped reading it when it looked like it would just be trashing the Pearls, Mary Pride, Vision Forum, etc. Attacking people that folks know will turn them off quickly. However, as I continued to read through it, I found that I agreed with a lot of what you were saying. Relationship-less child rearing has particularly bugged me (I’m an older teen now), and as my parents have used the Pearls’ stuff a lot, that might have something to do with it. However, when your post starts out with something basically like, “Down with the Pearls! Down with Mary Pride! Down with Vision Forum! Down with Douglas Wilson!”….(no, that’s not what you said, but that’s how it comes across…), some people who would otherwise benefit from your article will just stop reading there.
However, I did enjoy the article, in many ways. =)
Posted by molleth on April 9, 2008 at 8:10 am
Thanks, Elisabeth. I sure didn’t mean to attack them, and am glad you brought out this point of naming names. Here’s where I struggle, though. NOT naming any names may help all readers stay comfortable, yet not naming names lets this camp off the hook.
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The fact is, this particular camp was a major part of helping me veer off track into legalism. If it were only me, perhaps I’d think there’s something wrong with me. But I have seen too many homes damaged by these teachings—some stories so sick it makes my stomach tight just typing this—-and I think it would be a good thing for the Church if we started naming names and sharing concerns. I’ll take your advice into account, though, and see if I can’t be more gentle in that regard, because you are absolutely right. Unless it is done gently and tactfully, most folks in that camp will never hear (I know I didn’t).
Posted by madame on April 26, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Molly,
I’ve been reading a bit of your blog for the past week and you are speaking so, so much of what is on my heart!
I too come from a legalistic background. I love my parents very, very, very much, but I can see their mistakes in my upbringing, and the more I see them, the more I can forgive them and love them. (my parents, not the mistakes!) Does this make ANY sense?
But I don’t want to make the same mistakes with my children.
Like you, I read Mary Pride and some Pearl. Thank you for mentioning them because I know you have been influenced by the same philosophies that influenced me, and that kind of establishes a relationship.
I’m taking my first baby steps out of legalism and I’m very scared. I am so afraid of displeasing God! But at the same time, I know that God is honoring my return to Him and has lead me to the right bunch of bloggers that are helping me to see the life-giving SPIRIT of the law rather than the lethal letter. Isn’t that what Jesus did?
I’m been prattling about “faith being about relationship, not religion”, calling myself not religious, etc… but all the time I’ve been a pharisee, a whitewashed tomb. All my law only drove me away from the life-giving relationship with Jesus. Faith became a draining set of musts.
I think that relationship hurts more than law because it forces us to be real. Put up a wall of law around you, don’t let anyone near your real you, smile all the time (or frown, you know God doesn’t have a sense of humour!), and you are safe. Throw the right Bible verse at the right time, discuss endlessly over minutiae, pore over one verse (out of context) until it says exactly what you want it to say but don’t ever, ever allow the Holy Spirit to convict you.
I have always known that Christianity is about a relationship. That the truth shall set me free. But I feel like I’m bound with heavy chains and I’m dragging the heaviest rock, which is my legalistic outlook to life, trying to convince the world that I’m happy.
Thank you for sharing your heart with us on this blog. I can’t thank you enough.
God bless you
Posted by molleth on April 26, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Madame, I can relate beyond words to everything you just said. Thank you for sharing, and—welcome! It’s nice to have another journey-mate! Our God is the God who specializes in lifting people out of pits.
Posted by Lori on June 11, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Molly,
Just been staying up WAY TOO LATE reading your blog. Argh…I just don’t agree in many ways, yet something is striking a chord.
I blogged a bit about it….yet the difference I see is I am “glad” God brought all these different groups into my path. I have learned so much about who God is, what He desires, what this means in my life – not just by blindly following any particular group (although I did here and there for a bit), but by sifting through the different “extreme” groups and finding TRUTH. A bit here and a bit there…
And now I feel like God is calling me ~ He has given me time to explore, to struggle, to figure some things out – now He is calling me to live.
Yet I still see some very basic black and white issues….which is where we still differ….but overall, I agree. Relationships over formulas ANY day!
Some days I believe God gave me four children in five years just to learn that one basic lesson….
~Lori