Coming out of Fundamentalism (A Reader Writes)

I enjoy getting emails from readers sharing their thoughts on coming out of legalism and/or fundamentalism, most of which I tend to keep private (and most of which take me at least a week or more to reply to, depending on how busy I am).  This letter was really good, and the writer, who blogs regularly at Living in Canaan, gave me permission to share.  I know you will enjoy her story, particularly those of you who’ve made a similar exodus, and maybe some of you will have some helpful responses for her questions at the end.     

 Hi Molly!  I have recently discovered your blog.  I can’t even remember how I got there, probably through some older posts of Lindsey’s at Enjoy the Journey. I know you probably get a lot of email from blog readers but, just the same, I wanted to let you know how much your writing has meant to me.  You say all the things I am thinking but am afraid to say aloud.  I am coming out of a lifetime in the fundie church.  I was raised in a fundamentalist Pentecostal home.   After the birth of my first child, I dove even deeper into the ultra-conservative, patriarchal sect of the religion I was raised in.  I stopped cutting my hair, wearing jumpers etc.  You know the scoop!   What is so amazing to me now (and I have noticed this to be true of many on this path) is how could I, with a high IQ and an intense academic background, been sucked into this mess.  I hate to sound conceited but it seems that many bright, articulate, intelligent women are pulled down this path.  I wonder why that is?  I suppose the important thing is that I have now left that life behind in the physical.  In the emotional and psychological?  Well, that is a little trickier, isn’t it?   

 My husband is a lifelong Lutheran.  I pulled him into the Fundie hood with me where he was subsequently baptized 2 more times to make us worthy of various churches  First, the Pentecostals baptized him and then the Independent Baptists insisted he be baptized their way as well.  All the while, he had been baptized as an infant and was feeling a little disconcerted by the whole thing.  Fear was driving us.  We hopped from church to church and from denomination to denomination.  We felt condemned, overwhelmed, unworthy and as if we had this long lists of dos and don’ts that we couldn’t possibly keep up with.  We were scared to reveal to one another that we thought maybe something was seriously wrong with all of it.   

 We are now in the membership of a very tiny Missouri Synod Lutheran Church where we are shepherded by a lovely Pastor who is helping me deconstruct and debrief.  It is difficult and frustrating.  At every turn there is some new issue that I run into and have to overcome.  I am certainly not advocating the LCMS church.  I am also not sure that it is our final destination.  We have been parked in that spot for over 2 years.  Recently, we have gone through a teaching series on Revelation with our Pastor and the help of Dr. Bruce Metzger’s book on the subject.  When the idea of ammillenialism began to unfold in front of me I was appalled.  I am so confused on the issues there but this new viewpoint sure is appealing and reassuring and so much less scary than the fire and brimstone I have known my whole life.  I am just not sure yet as this is very much a process for me.   

 My dear Pastor speaks grace into my heart each week, reminding me that I can do nothing, absolutely nothing and that it is all Him.  How many times will I have to be told?  A million more? 

 I have found great comfort in the rhythm of the church year and the liturgy and the idea that communion means something in my spiritual life.  I have always been fascinated by Catholicism but I was taught that it was the ‘Great Whore.’ I have allowed myself to read literature from the Saints and explore that pull I have always had to Catholic spirituality.  Do I think we will end up in the Roman church eventually?  I don’t know, as there is so much with which we disagree.  However, I am trying to remember that it is the journey not the destination. I know it is cliché but it is true.  And the destination isn’t a denomination anyway!  It is eternal life with the Father.  

 The point of all of this was just to say thank you for being so raw and honest.  As a homeschool mom, most of my homeschooling comrades think I am a defector and a heathen.  I am so lonely.  We are an Air Force family which is hard to begin with but add homeschooling AND not fundamentalists on top of that and you end up with one lonely mommy.  I was also curious if you had any books and/or blogs that would be encouraging and/or informative.  What are your favorite reads?   Again, thank you! 

Canaan Herkamp

www.livingincanaan.typepad.com

29 Responses to this post.

  1. Canaan:

    Between the Roman Catholic Church, the Lutheran Church, the Anglican Church, and the [Eastern] Orthodox Church, you could probably find a home theologically and/or liturgically and/or spiritually, from what you’ve written here. I.e., it’s not just a choice between Catholicism and Lutheranism. A difference between Orthodoxy/Catholicism and Lutheranism might be having to do with what might simplistically be called monergy vs. synergy when it comes to salvation.

  2. Thanks for posting this. I have already subscribed to her blog. She is so honest and real. (that reminds me of someone, hmmm,…..oh yeah, YOU) I”m enjoying reading you again. Sorry I don’t comment much!

    Christie

  3. Posted by servetus on April 2, 2008 at 9:46 am

    The LCMS is a house of woe at the moment. Still, I wish her well.

  4. The LCMS has a lot of issues. A Lot. That is precisely why I am hesitant to proclaim it as our final destination or to recommend it to others who are seeking like us. I worry about the direction they may take and, in some cases, have already taken. The Lutheran church as a whole is in splinters. They can’t even agree on the simplest of things. We happen to have found a particular pastor and a particular congregation that is giving us precisely what we need from church right now. So now? We watch and wait.

  5. mollie,
    stumbled upon your blog from jaybercrow. i’m living in an uber conservative town and things you talk about are things some friends and i have been talking about for some time now…on front porches over wine… needless to say, your blog is incredibly refreshing and fun. there’s a lot of repressed women in this place…and we’re longing for the Spirit…in His timing…to show up.

    thanks for your thoughfulness…and for your passion.
    natalee

  6. Posted by traveller on April 2, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    Most denominations are experiencing problems. This is because the significant cultural change we are experiencing is deconstructing all institutional expressions of “church”. You may find over time that a more organic expression of church will be appropriate.

    In answer to the question I would like to recommend one the best books I have read in quite a while. It is written by N.T. Wright who is the Anglican Bishop of Durham. He covers very deep subjects with clarity. The book is “Surprised by Hope: Rethinking Heaven, the Resurrection and the Mission of the Church”. This is a very wholistic look at what it means to be a follower of Jesus today and for eternity.

    In large part the journey is the destination so enjoy it.

  7. Posted by traveller on April 2, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    One other thought: A very different book that is fiction but deep in theological meaning is “The Shack” by William P. Young. I highly recommend this as well.

  8. THE SHACK, by William P. Young…

    …wherein we learn that God is “The Oracle.” :)

  9. Jacob wasn’t a fan of The Shack. I’ve heard really good and really bad about it…so, of course, just ordered it for myself. I got too curious!
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    I’m enjoying the responses here, btw, and listening in…
    Probably one of the blogs I resonate most with is the Internet Monk (on my sidebar). Some of his essays have really dropped my jaw (in a good way).
    http://www.internetmonk.com/essays
    I’ve gone through so many books that I really can’t think of any one that just changed my life…a compilation of them, probably all ones you’ve read as well, have really helped me think outside the box I was in. But I’m not sure any particular one just did it for me. If one did, then I wouldn’t be in a place of transition: I’d have arrived already! :)
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    A series of podcasts by Michael Frost were also something that I resonated deeply with…not sure of what I think, of it all, mind you (which is sort of how I feel about the God Journey podcasts–a lot of things that make my heart sing, but other things that cause me a little concern here and there)…
    http://www.resonate.ca/audio/2006/09/mike-frost-1-of-6.html
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    Okay, I need to go put the kids to bed…

  10. Natalee, the front porch and wine sound GREAT! :)

  11. Canaan said:

    “The Lutheran church as a whole is in splinters. They can’t even agree on the simplest of things. We happen to have found a particular pastor and a particular congregation that is giving us precisely what we need from church right now”

    I’m Anglican and I very much understand that statement. I too love our liturgy and traditions and our vicar is just a lovely, wonderful man. I also have a soft spot for “via media” and “broad ” Anglicanism in general, so I put up with divisions, squabbling and bad behaviour within the denomination. I’m so glad you found comfort and a “home” in the Lutheran church, I wish you well on your journey.

    PS. I too can recommend Tom Wright, a man of real and balanced insight.

  12. Posted by Beatrice on April 3, 2008 at 8:37 am

    I can’t really speak at all to the church/worship/denomination thing, as I’ve not lived long enough and it’s not my struggle. But it always helps to focus on Christ, and learn more about Him and the Christian life, and people of all stripes (even some fundamentalists) can help with that. But one other thought, in case you haven’t thought of this already – I would highly reccomend Dorothy Sayer’s play on the life of Christ, The Man Born To Be King. Very researched and poetic retelling of our Lord’s life, and it helps me see anew just how dramatic and shattering His story really is. (Now that I think of it, you might like to read other things by Sayers if you haven’t. Because she has a sharp, sharp mind, and is very good at helping one think about doctrine in an incredibly alive way, AND she was high church, which I’m sure you can relate to, and I believe she had some interesting criticism of fundamentalism, though I’m not sure how much.)

  13. Posted by Beatrice on April 3, 2008 at 8:40 am

    Molly, be sure to let us know what you think of The Shack. I saw it in the Christian fiction catalog a few days ago and something pulled me to it, and then I remembered “Hey! Someone on Molly’s blog said that was good!” Just curious, what did you hear bad about it?

  14. Just curious, what did you hear bad about it [i.e., THE SHACK]?

    There are some online blog reviews – Google for them – but I would advise you to read the book first, as these reviews contain spoilers.

    If you have read the Cappadocian Fathers on the Trinity, you will probably not warm up to THE SHACK. :)

    I didn’t “not like” THE SHACK, but my one reading did not make me a fan, as Molly says. Maybe a second reading would make me like it more – or less. There are some powerful parts (which might vary from reader to reader), but the cover and ad hyperbole about it being as good/great as PILGRIM’S PROGRESS is way overblown, IMO.

  15. Hi Canaan! :)

    Bet ya can’t guess who this is! I know you’ve shared your story with me and I appreciate you being so open and honest. Molly is a wonderful resource for you.

  16. Posted by Beatrice on April 3, 2008 at 9:40 am

    “If you have read the Cappadocian Fathers on the Trinity, you will probably not warm up to THE SHACK. :)

    Well, I love to read, Jacob but this is an area I’m not familiar with at all. Can you give me a brief lowdown? What kind of things do they say?

  17. THE SHACK attempts to address the problem of evil and suffering in the world.
    .
    David Bentley Hart wrote an interesting essay on the same subject, but related to the 2004 Tsunami:
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    http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=3301
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bentley_Hart
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    Orthodox theologian David Hart’s brother, Fr. Robert Hart, is an Anglican priest. Their brother, Fr. Addison Hart, is a Roman Catholic priest. I’m sure their get-togethers are quite interesting!

  18. Beatrice:
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    The Cappadocian Fathers were St. Basil of Caesarea; Basil’s brother, St. Gregory of Nyssa; and Basil’s friend, St. Gregory of Nazianzus, also known as St. Gregory the Theologian (only two other Saints have that appellation – St. John, author of the fourth Gospel, and St. Symeon the New Theologian – 10th century).
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    They dealt with the Arian heresy between the Council of Nicea (325 A.D.) and the Council of Constantinople (381 A.D.)
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cappadocian_Fathers
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    Not light reading, but interesting (at least the excerpts I’ve read), if you like that sort of stuff. I.e., why do Christians say/believe that Jesus is fully God, and why do they say/believe that they worship One God in Three Persons.

  19. Posted by Beatrice on April 3, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Fascinating stuff, Jacob. Thanks!

  20. Posted by traveller on April 3, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    While I agree that The Shack does address evil and suffering, I do not believe that is it main thrust or purpose. I think its main thrust is to attempt to get the reader to consider the nature of God, the entire Trinity.

    Likewise, there are some aspects of the story that are weak but there are some powerful theological insights as well. The reason it seems appropriate in the context of this blog post is that it focuses on God’s grace.

    As with any book, some will like it and some will not.

  21. In your explorations, Molly, you will no doubt come across “Emergent” worship music:

  22. LOL… Okay, the title of that song through me for a loop for a minute there…I was expecting emergent bashing or some wierd song fest thing… :lol:
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    Btw, just like the EO, emergent/emerging is pretty dang diverse and so can’t really but “summed up” in one group’s version of anything, but despite that, the lyrics to that song really sum up a lot of what they are saying (in books, podcasts, etc). Btw, what did you think about the song? For the most part, I really liked it. And I was all prepared not to and everything! :)

  23. I thought it was all right, even though I found out about it from a Website/blog that was trashing it:

    http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/04/02/emerging-music-stinks/

  24. Good grief. Those comments there are hilarious. GIVE ME A BREAK, people~! Sheesh!

  25. I suggest reading the shack before reading any criticism. Some of the critics have gone way overboard with this one, whether they loved or hated it. I’m with Jacob regarding the Pilgrim’s Progress comparison. Everyone went on & on about how good the book was and I thought maybe there was something wrong with me! I enjoyed it, but it certainy wasn’t life-changing. I want to read it again.

  26. I find a lot of books informative and helpful, even while not necessarily agreeing with all parts. Blue Like Jazz and Searching for God Knows What: man, I loved those books! Do I agree with all of Miller’s positions? Not really. But did I really get a lot out of those two books? YES. Same goes with Velvet Elvis…the bricks-vs-trampoline analogy alone was worth the price of the book (which wasn’t that expensive, considering I usually buy used-haha!).
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    When a person remembers that the author is merely human, therefore will have a unique perspective we can possibly learn from, and yet is also fallible and therefore will not be writing absolute truth at all times, it really helps.
    .
    But sometimes the Doctrinal Thought Police forget that…okay, well, most of the time. They seem to think that only their own camp, and often their own selves, are the ones infallible, and all who don’t agree with their take on everything are enemies needing a good beating. I avoid those sites and those types like the plague. I just can’t take much of that these days. (Maybe because I used to somewhat be one?). They are pretty humerous to watch sputter, though, when they get their undies in a wad over something. :lol:

  27. “They seem to think that only their own camp, and often their own selves, are the ones infallible, and all who don’t agree with their take on everything are enemies needing a good beating.”

    And talking to some of them is like watching all your words bounce right off a glass wall! Nnyargh!

    /frustration

  28. This is very interesting to me. Since my conversion experience was from atheism to Christianity, I find it fascinating to read about Christians who go through conversions within Christianity. Thank you for sharing!

  29. Canaan~

    I come form a pentecostal fundie background – with all the bells and whistles ;-) A book I read a few months after I walked out of my church was “Messy Spirituality” by Michael Yaconelli. It articulated a lot of what I was feeling and helped me relax and know I was not on the road to hell because I walked out of church – that the problem was the church, not me.

    And yeah, with that kind of background, it can take a while to untangle. I walked a little over a year ago and still struggle with some things. I have visited various churches and not been able to find a place that fit – they all seem to ‘feel wrong’ to me. Oddly enough, I have recently thought about going to a local Catholic church. Not joining – I’m not sure I will ever join another church – but just going to some services and seeing…

    It is a journey, and as was stated by one of the other commenters, the journey is the destination – at least on this side of mortality. But God will always guide those who are seeking truth. He just sometimes leads them down unexpected /unpredictable paths. ;-)

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