The Art of Un-Warfare: Learning to Talk to Those With Whom We Theologically Disagree

I am a part of an email group made up of mothers of many young children and have been for many years. It’s a Christian group and, for the most part, fairly conservative–at least, the vocal ones are. Since I have five young children, a resource like this group can be nice, even though five kids is a fairly small family there. Usually, life with my “small” family keeps me too busy to even bother to read through the email digest, but every so often I will, and, once in a while, I will write a post to send in.

Recently, this group was talking about how adult children, especially daughters, are Biblically commanded to stay home until and/or if they become married. Mothers were being encouraged to train their daughters that way, etc, and to beware the dangerous world of feminism. So I wrote a post of polite dissent, using many passages of Scripture to explain my position and mentioning some of the many women in Scripture who did not “home-keep,” such as the women who travelled with Jesus, or Phoebe, who Paul had deliver the letter to the Romans.

Many women emailed me to tell me thank you, to let me know that the group has many who are not ultra-conservative and that it’s nice to hear dissenting voices. (I’m glad for those who speak up—they’re brave, in that sort of forum, and needed).  But one woman emailed me more than a few times, letting me know, in that lovely “righteous anger” that we Christians can use so well, that because I disagreed with her position, I was obviously not a student of God’s Word, was relativistic, my words were poisonous and she wouldn’t read them (though she must have read enough to let me know how horrifically wrong I was), and that I obviously didn’t believe Scripture at all.

She closed her final letters, of course, by letting me know she’d be praying for me—you know, that warm “Christian” way of sticking a knife in your rib—and, well, that was that.

What bothered me was the complete lack of logic employed in her responses. She couldn’t hear anything I said—and, for that matter, didn’t appear to be trying to. She’d formed her interpretational grid and it was water-tight. Not only was it infallible, but it had to be protected: it was dangerous to even listen to any other arguments. She wrote claiming she wanted conversation and asking me to answer a few questions, but it turned out conversation was the last thing we had. People can’t have a conversation when one side has their fingers in their ears and then, despite the fact that they openly tell you they will not listen to the answers you gave to their questions, proceed to tell you exactly what you think and why, resorting to personal jabs while doing so.

Urgh. It got me thinking about how dumb we all can be. I was on the receiving end of a wildly whacking combatant (though I didn’t even want a fight!), and yet I can think of many times when I did the exact same thing. Did it for God, no less! That was back when my theology was something I had to protect against any dissenting opinions, back when my beliefs about gender were part and parcel with the Gospel, back when I thought our normal/resting position was to be ready to fight instead of ready to embrace.

Good grief. I hope I have matured and I hope I will continue to do so (by the sheer grace of our holy God). I admit, I had the urge to take a stick and whop this particular writer a few times. She said some vicious things about my heart, making huge assumptions about what I must be like all because I did not agree with her. She employed no reasoning skills whatsoever. When it came to listening skills, it was like talking to a stump. And she was so mean! I at least wanted her to know how wrong she was for doing that.

But why? Because I care about what she thinks about me? I’d love to pretend like I was hurt and wounded but, uh, no. I don’t even know this woman. What do I care what she thinks? Do you want to know why I wanted her to know she was wrong in her approach? Mainly because I want to have the last word. I want to end the little flurry with the feeling of having thrown the last knife. Which means I’m no different from the attacker. Whether she was right or wrong, she violated what it means to walk in the Spirit by the way she treated me. And I did the exact same back to her.

So what is more important—to be “right” in intellectual belief, or to live rightly? When Jesus was dividing the sheep and the goats, He seemed to think that those who “got” the Gospel—those who showed it by serving the underdog’s of the world—were the ones who knew Him, not the ones who knew about Him. Ouch. Knowing about Him (and ramming that down dissenters throats) is a heck of a lot easier.

Sometimes things that the complementarian/patriarchy camp says make my stomach lurch. This isn’t their fault: it’s just where I’m at. I’ve had a really bad experience living in the C world. I came out with something akin to post-traumatic stress disorder, if that makes any sense. My health is just now pulling itself back together, slowly, in pieces. Sometimes I read a C statement and I want to fire out comments or posts—and do—from that place of adrenalin-fueled reactionary instinct, like a missile gun seeing an enemy and shooting accordingly.

But I am a Christian. Far higher than gender roles (or lack thereof) is the “role” given to all followers of Christ: we are called to walk by the Spirit, to live by the Spirit, to be taught by the Spirit. Like the womb of a fertile woman, I am designed to bear the Spirit’s fruit. Love. Joy. Peace. Patience. Kindness. Gentleness. Self-control. There is no law against such as these, because the world cannot ever have enough of such things.

But those things go against most of my natural inclinations. They must be born in me through Him, because this branch will naturally wither up on it’s own. Far higher than the law of my warring members, which want to stab and thrust and parry (or run and hide, or scoff and criticize, etc), is the Law of God, the Law that says Love sums up the law.

I must give the benefit of the doubt to those I am speaking with: that they love God as much as I do, that they have the right to interpret Scripture differently than I do, and that calling them names or assuming evil motives on their interpretational choices is sheer folly on my part. And sometimes, in order to help me do that, I must remember what it feels like to not be heard, to have assumptions made about my heart all because I disagree, to be put into a box and sealed up. It doesn’t feel good. It’s not what we were born to be. It’s not what I was born to do. Though I do it far too often. Conversation is only conversation in so far as two people are actually taking the time to listen to eachother. I know that I could stand to do a much better job of that.

33 Responses to this post.

  1. Posted by Kate on April 15, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    Hi Molly,

    I am on the MOMYS list also and have been for about 8 years. I often have to hit the delete button when it gets ugly. I love your blog and can relate to where you are. I love the freedom I have as a follower of Christ now that I no longer feel the need to change myself so that others will see me as super spriritual. Many blessings to you!

  2. Interesting. It must be in the water. I’ve been dealing with something similar lately.

  3. Posted by traveller on April 15, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    This is a very insightful post. The very fact that you understand how you react is the evidence that the Holy Spirit is in the process of re-creating you to be the person God intended from the beginning. I know he will complete the good work that has been started in you.

  4. Wow – What a thoughtful and honest post. And, uh, way too convicting. *blush*

  5. Posted by Joanna-from-England on April 15, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    Bother that cyberspace beast – chewing up my carefully thought out comment!

    It’s half-one in the morning here and the moon shining in at my window woke me up, so I thought I might as well come and check what is rapidly becoming my favourite blog, and have some hot milk and honey to make me sleepy again.

    There’s a French saying – cet animal est mechant – quand on l’attaque, il se defend. (This animal is wicked. If you attack it, it defends itself)

    I know only too well the need to have the last word :) but I think it’s a real gut reaction. If the body feels under threat, it prepares for flight or fight – adrenalin flows, state of heightened alertness, many different physiological effects. We’re verbal as well as visceral creatures, and words have the same effect as spears: sometimes we’re in there and throwing them back before we recollect ourselves before God.

    And like the animal in the French proverb, sometimes we appear to be wicked to others simply because we defend ourselves against their ’slings and arrows’ – how dare we not submit to their mental and emotional predation!

    But we are not animals, so we can recollect ourselves before God, and we can choose not to retaliate – interesting word that, etymologically related to talio, talionis – a claw. (As in lex talionis – the law of an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth) We can choose not to claw back either our wounded self-esteem with a pouty ‘But I put that so well: how can anyone disagree’ or to claw out hard to wound again : the prey turned predator.

    As you say – the art of un-war. In all things we are conquerors, through Him who loves us. Do we ever need to be at war, when He has made our peace for us? Or is there ever a time when we are enjoined to go to war – to stand for the weak against the bully? Is there a time when we must fight?

    Next time I’m tempted to retaliate, i shall remember the phrase un-war.

  6. Posted by Jae on April 15, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    I Soooooooo know what you are saying here. Call me an extremely naive person, but I had no idea there were such judgemental people out there as to when I went visiting Lady Lydia’s blog. My first gut reaction was I should think of some witty retort to let her know her words might hurt people. But, after reading her “READ THIS FIRST” post, I realized that this blog was for like minded people and it was her blog and so be it. All I would be doing is getting myself in a tizzy and in no way would any of it benefit me. I am still glad I visited her site. I think it made me be more aware that we need to approach ‘ALL’ people, Christian and not, with kindness and love, forgiveness and compassion at ALL times.

  7. Posted by bellawilfer on April 15, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    Heh, my mother commented to me about how this topic has come up recently on MOMYS. ;-)

    Thanks for supplying a word of dissent.

  8. Well, being a guy I feel a bit out of place posting here, but my wife sent me a link thinking I would find the discussions interesting and I very much do. I completely share your heart. I also tend to get caught up in similar situations. I get so frustrated when people simply dismiss my perspective because it is different.

    I imagine the anger that comes through the criticism has little to do with right or wrong. It is more an unwillingness to be changed in our relationships with one another. For iron to sharpen iron friction must exist. Our faith should not be static. He is an infinitely multifaceted God and each new truth He reveals could potentially call into question a much of what I believe. There is no end to Him, therefore no end to our transformation.

    It sounds as though the things you shared challenged her control of her manageable faith. What she believes has been settled in her heart and mind. She would probably say that God is the same yesterday, today and forever, but miss the fact that our understanding of Him is not. You probably called into question a concrete doctrine she was unwilling to reconsider.

    I probably would launch into a lengthy essay all the ways I thought she was wrong, both in her ideology and her tone. As soon as I hit send I would feel horrible. So instead, I would ask her questions to get to the heart of why she believes the way she does…try to understand the basis of her worldview. Perhaps somewhere in all of it there might be a point of connection where she will be unable to default to categorizing you as of of “them.”

    I wish I had some way to wrap this up, but I think I may have drifted a bit. I am really glad my wife found this blog. I am a contemplative individual and it is nice to find such engaging content.

    Thanks,

    Pete

  9. I am on MOMYS as well and didn’t read the thread about adult daughters until I saw your post titled A POLITE DISSENT. That caught my interest, I didn’t know it was you til now. I loved your post and thought it was very polite and true. I often have to delete the digests just b/c it gets me too in a knot and legalistic. I have enjoyed all the helpful hints there though.

    A couple years ago when the movie about Nate Saint and Jim Elliott came out and the MOMYS were livid over the lead actor being a gay man-I commented that if we were to be honest and put the Scripture in context today that we’d probably find Jesus walking into Hooters to have lunch, walking the street to minister to the homeless, and sitting on the steps of our churches rather than stepping one foot inside. WOW-you should have read some of the responses. Basically I got criticized for not being reverant enough of our Lord and Savior. I get that, but they missed the point – as is normal on MOMYS.

    Thanks for making a good point.

  10. Posted by Greg Anderson on April 15, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Good stuff Mollerz. I too have often wondered what it is in human nature that wants be right no matter what. So long as we agree on the essentials of the faith, why divide and fight over peripheral details?

    When I came out of hard-core fundamentalism some years back, it really hit me hard that no wonder the non-Christian world wants nothing to do with us.

    All they see is warring little fiefdoms and baronies who think nothing of shooting or abandoning their wounded.

  11. Posted by Rebecca Campos on April 15, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Here Here Molls…

    Another MOMYS who doesn’t fit the “mold”. Strange but seems there are more of us than not that don’t fit the mold. ‘course I tend to run my mouth and say what I think anyhow and learned a long time ago to stop worrying about fitting in. I get it, I am such a heathen. :o )

    At least a couple of us can not be as conservative/cinching up the corset of righteousness and still manage to post frequently.

    I love Todd Agnew’s song “My Jesus” cuz it pretty much sums up many churches and probably MOMYS if it were a church.

    “cuz my Jesus would never be accepted in my church. The blood and dirt on his feet might stain the carpets… And I think he’ld prefer Bealle Street to the stained glass crowds…”

    *sigh* I dunno, suspect it is the whole Easter/Passover thing right now. That and Christmas seems to flare the rash of conservatism/prostelytizing on the boards. *shrug* Such is life and thank goodness I type for a living since the delete key is worn thin.

    Incidentally Kristen.. Howdy and I’ll see ya at the Hooters.

    Beccablue (Rebecca Campos)

  12. She couldn’t hear anything I said—and, for that matter, didn’t appear to be trying to. She’d formed her interpretational grid and it was water-tight. Not only was it infallible, but it had to be protected: it was dangerous to even listen to any other arguments…

    Yes I’ve come across this often…and sadly done this myself to others in a fit of passionate speech about what I believe, etc. (There is a difference between passionate sharing of the gospel and beating someone to spiritual death with my beliefs – i.e. driving them away from the faith I so desperately want to share).

    So what is more important—to be “right” in intellectual belief, or to live rightly?

    Read here: http://av1611.com/forums/ and you’ll find it’s much better to be right ;) As one who believes the gifts of the Holy Spirit are as much for today as for the early church I have not dared make my opinions known on that particular forum (which I joined because I was researching the KJV only argument and was nosey as to why the adherents were so passionate about it), most of the contributors to the av1611 forum believe that the sign gifts were for the Jews only and that the gifts have mostly ceased. Anyone who disagrees with the party-line is accused of not really being saved…except none of them quite agree what that party-line is and around in circles they go.
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    Our Pastor has often preached that it is better to be one than be right. He says this because Jesus didn’t pray “Father may they be right” He prayed “Father may they be one”.
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    Of course we see from the letters of Paul that sound teaching is important and disagreeing with other Christians is inevitable, for example his disagreement with Peter and his disagreement with (was it?) Barnabas, his warning in the letters to Timothy to stay away from false teachers, etc. But Paul’s main gripe scattered throughout the letters seemed to be false teachers that were trying to enforce circumcision and other aspects of the law, or draw others into sexual immorality (like the temple prostitution that was apparently common in the pagan cultures).
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    Just some thoughts, must go now.

  13. …sometimes I read stuff on the internet and steam comes out of my ears! I can brood for days about it and conveniently forget the fruits of the spirit! However, a friend and I were talking about our internet behaviour the other day, and both of us thought that us moderate types rarely speak up on forums/blogs etc for fear of “righteous anger”, and in my case, I don’t say how I feel simply because I don’t want the flack (perhaps I’m a coward). However, maybe I should state my opinions, offer a moderate point of view, and just take the flack humbly and on the chin, a moderate view would add to many of the debates I read, give the debate balance etc. I dunno, I rambling now! Does anyone else feel this way I wonder?

  14. Posted by Anglicanmum on April 16, 2008 at 1:44 am

    Great post. I often wonder how we bickering Christians must look to outsiders. BTW, the most moving thing I’ve heard recently was in an edition of This American Life, an episode entitled ‘Pray’ where the interviewer was talking to a gay man in a p@rn shop. He had left his conservative church in great sorrow as he felt he could never show the real him there cos homosexuality was so taboo. But even at rock bottom he was able to say to the interviewer ‘Don’t give up on Jesus because of the Christians’. So true. I couldn’t help thinking that 2000 years ago Jesus would have been more likely to be right sitting next to him in the p@rn shop than in the fundie (or any other) church the rest of the programme covered.

  15. I hope that my daughter stays with us until she begins starting a family of her own, but my world isn’t going to fall apart if it doesn’t work out that way. I don’t know why we Christians tend to fight about things like this. It has nothing to do with salvation. While it is the perfect fodder for a hearty conversation/debate, I think it’s hardly worth getting one’s nose in a twist over. Maybe we do too much thinking on other people’s families, instead of concentrating on our own??
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    I don’t know. *shrugs* It’s just me, thinking. :)

  16. Dulce, I do agree, sometimes I feel I don’t ‘fit’ in with any theological model, I don’t like to be classed patriarchal, complementarian or egalitarian…I don’t think my beliefs really please any side…but I guess belief is about my relationship with God. Someone might label me fundamental, another might label me liberal and yet another may say I’m moderate; but as long as I’m seeking God and my heart’s in the right place He’ll get me there in the end despite the labels. Discussing our faith with one another, in a loving manner, if we are open to learn, can bring us closer to God…so I for one like to hear every viewpoint. I too fear criticism, I need to learn that I can’t please everyone and that the only One I need to please is God.

    Anglicanmum, I understand what you mean. An ex-prostitute has set up a group focusing on the needs of prostitutes and others in the sex industry to find Christ, their website (if you’re interested) is http://hookersforjesus.net/home.cfm (her testimony is long but very moving). They have come under fierce criticism from within the church because they don’t use ‘respectable’ methods and don’t dress modestly enough…etc. They were resoundingly criticised for carrying placards in Las Vegas saying ‘Jesus Loves Pimps’…but like it or not Jesus does love pimps, however distasteful we may feel their lifestyle is.

    I apologise if my thought processes seem garbled, I have a head-cold :)

  17. Molly,

    Take it from a Pastor of over fifty years of ministry experience who has made the journey biblical from the C camp to the E camp, [I hate labels and I'm sure you do too.] and have loved every minute of the journey. Every minute that is except when I’ve had those moments of wanting to slap the fire out of some people who are as those you’ve described so well, or at least prayed that God would do the well deserved slapping. All according to His plan and Purpose for their lives of course. :)

    Seriously. This is one of the better posts I’ve read in a while and I just had to tell you so. Thanks.

  18. Molly, I love your self-analysis! It was more than a little convicting, I’m afraid, but all the more appreciated for it.
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    I think what bothers me most in this area of things is when I encounter people who say they’re willing to engage in discussion but who, as soon as they are confronted with scripture that negates their own proof-texted doctrine, shut right down and cannot actually engage in study or open dialogue; they only want to prove that they’re right. They seem to want things to come to a solid resolution with one side “winning” the “discussion,” and then get upset when they realise I am just fine if that doesn’t happen.
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    Of course, false teachings really need to rely on proof-texting to a certain extent if they are to fluorish at all, so I shouldn’t be surprised when this happens, but I do find it immensely discouraging anyway. I really probably should just go live in a library somewhere. People would be much happier :P

  19. Molly,
    Once again, thanks for this post. It was really good for me to read how you used to be one who saw things the other way and now, though growth, have the courage to say, “I was wrong then.” Thank you for the example it sets for me. It’s so difficult to back off a position one has held voraciously for years and say this was wrong. Thanks for sharing your self analysis!

  20. **standing on my chair, holding up my lighter**

    great post Molly! thank you!

  21. Great post. I’ve been spending a lot of time lately thinking about Christ-like behaviour and how so much of the things we finagle would be meaningless if we would just live the way we are called to.

  22. Posted by sojournerhere on April 16, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Molly,
    I just discovered your blog. I appreciate your thoughts today and regarding your past with a legalistic church. (Don’t think I’ve ever heard of “complementarian” before.)

    I remember when I was first convicted about allowing God to plan my own family that I was starting to get prideful about it in the sense that I thought it was so sad that so few Christians did the same. I was blessed that God showed me my fault fairly quickly so I could repent and change my course. While I still feel strongly about God’s family planning (as well as homeschooling and other fundamentalist ideas)for our family I know that scripture is clear that I need to focus on my own walk and not assume that others are in the same spot with me or that God is dealing with them in the same way he is me.

    As a parent I tailor my parenting for each child for what they need and their own personality. They sometimes cry “no fair” because they think they should all be treated the same. So why is it a surprise that our heavenly Father tailors his parenting for each of his children instead of treating us all exactly the same.

    Regarding your latest post, I can understand how easy it is to get into a contest to “win” the argument with another Christian. While I am often fine to say “I just don’t see it the way you do,” when I am personally attacked or the other person won’t be satisfied until I admit I’m wrong, then it spurs me on to want them to admit THEY are wrong. :-)

    Romans 12:19-21
    Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”says the Lord. On the contrary:
    “If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
    if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
    In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

    Do I have faith that God will take up my wrongs for me? That he will avenge me? Is it my job to defend myself or God’s job? When we truly trust that our Father will take care of the injustices against us, THEN we can feed and love our enemy because we will be able to let go of those hurts knowing it’s all taken care of.

    I have most definitely NOT arrived there yet. But a message I heard from John Piper challenged me on this issue. It’s an area I know there’s a lot of room to grow in.

    Hey, I think I need to go blog about this…..

    Sojourner

  23. HA!! That MOMYS list in interesting. I got blasted once for suggestion MOMYS shop at Costco. LOL Too funny the things people declare are “righteous”.

    I’ve been skipping those topics… I’m a MOMYS skimmer. ;)

    I too “only” have 5…. love some of the tips I get through MOMYS, but well… some of the blasting is crazy.

  24. I often want to just cut and paste your posts on my blog and reply “un huh”. Been on the receiving end one too many times. IMO, Christians are the meanest at “telling you things in love”. You rock, Molly. Thanks for keeping it real.

  25. Posted by Leslie on April 18, 2008 at 2:02 am

    I have been on MOMYS for 8 or 9 years now I think. I used to post frequently, mostly about health issues. There are lots of others on there now to post about such things these days so I rarely post at all any more.
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    What I see in these so-called “theological debates” is something much deeper than folks wanting to be right and have their way. What I see is prejudice, superstition, suspicion and ignorance. What I see played out is the historical fact that more people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason.
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    What is sometimes hilarious to me is that the debaters think that their differences are significant. God created an infinite world – it is much, much bigger than small American Christian ideas about how you think about your adult daughters. There are real differences out there about which they know nothing and about which they, therefore, are suspicious and essentially slanderous. The notion, for instance, that any idea or practice that comes from “the east” is of the devil is a perfect example. Good grief. Much is lost in such ignorance including the ability to follow the Master rather than just endlessly parse present day ideas supposedly about the Master.
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    What I also experience is that these debates are not of Divine origin. They are entirely, 100% man made. As such, they are of little value to me although I occasionally get a whiff of a good idea from the discussions. This is one of the main reasons, I think, why the debates tend to be intellectual and rancorous rather than love filled and devotional (not just on MOMYS but everywhere – MOMYS is probably better than most in tone). Man made relationships and ideas tend not to give rise to devotional style communication.
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    So, my dear sister, I don’t think that it is that you are a dissenter. I think the fact is that you are waking up. There is a big difference. And what do you do with others who are still sleeping so deeply when there is such an urgency for us all to wake up? Well, you can whisper in their ear. That will wake a few up. You could give them a shake. That will wake up a few more. But the majority are so utterly asleep that they are not ready to wake up no matter what anybody else does. Some lash out instinctively in their sleep at the one trying to shake them awake. Most lie there as if dead no matter what you do.
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    What can we do for the majority of our fellow creatures who lie there as if dead? Or who lash out if any ripple of life comes their way? Nothing. Well, one thing. We can pray. The difficulty to be sorted out is between themselves, their souls and their Creator. Their mode of sleeping (which in America is often expressed aggressively) has nothing directly to do with any fellow bystanders. The only significance of our personal reaction to their mode of “sleep” is as a sign to us of where we are internally. It indicates the path of our future internal work. That’s it. There is no other significance. The spark raised by the conflict lights our way within, not our way with the other person.
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    We may pray that all our brothers and sisters all over the world may be filled with love and devotion and that real faith may grow in them. We may pray this every night in full faith that the creation is His and that eventually all his creatures will return to their Original Home.
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    Thank you for your post,
    Leslie

  26. But, but. . . Molly. . . it is so HARD not to get the last word in when people say and think that you/I “obviously didn’t believe Scripture at all.”
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    I guess that’s my “button” that when it gets pushed is sooooo hard to step back and breathe deep and wait for the Holy Spirit to either allow me to reply (or enable me to keep my mouth/fingers quiet.)

  27. Very touching. Thank you. I’ve added you to our new Blog. :)

  28. I’d call the fight response one of reaction – where we react in the exact same spirit as the one who is coming against us. What Jesus consistently did was “walk in the opposite spirit.” When attacked in hate, he would respond in love.

    Jesus notes that people will know who we are in Him by our love. When we can react in love to such things, we are becoming more like Him. Besides, we aren’t responsible for another’s ugliness; we are responsible to God for our reaction to such ugliness.

    Yet another great post in the Molly archives!

  29. I mentioned the word “Diet Coke” in a MOMYS post once.

    Won’t do that again.

  30. BAhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaaaaaaa!

  31. What would they think about men, like me, who home keep?! I’ve gotten used to traveling in handbaskets.

  32. “I’ve gotten used to traveling in handbaskets.”

    HA!

  33. Posted by Lydia on May 8, 2008 at 4:49 am

    I noticed a poster mentioned my site, HOme Living, in particular, the note to newcomers. I was in no way referring to Molly or anyone like her. I was responding to many of the absolute flames that are sent by young girls who have never had a home or a family or spent any time in marriage or homemaking. Their judgemental opinions about it show a lack of experience in it. It had nothing to do with people here, but only with the remarks I get saying how stupid homemakers are.

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