10. A man’s place is in the army.
9. The pastoral duties of men who have children might distract them from the responsibility of being a parent.
8. The physique of men indicates that they are more suited to such tasks as chopping down trees and wrestling mountain lions. It would be “unnatural” for them to do ministerial tasks.
7. Man was created before woman, obviously as a prototype. Thus, they represent an experiment rather than the crowning achievement of creation.
6. Men are too emotional to be priests or pastors. Their conduct at football and basketball games demonstrates this.
5. Some men are handsome, and this will distract women worshipers.
4. Pastors need to nurture their congregations. But this is not a traditional male role. Throughout history, women have been recognized as not only more skilled than men at nurturing, but also more fervently attracted to it. This makes them the obvious choice for ordination.
3. Men are prone to violence. No really masculine man wants to settle disputes except by fighting about them. Thus they would be poor role models as well as dangerously unstable in positions of leadership.
2. The New Testament tells us that Jesus was betrayed by a man. His lack of faith and ensuing punishment remind us of the subordinated position that all men should take.
1. Men can still be involved in church activities, even without being ordained. They can sweep sidewalks, repair the church roof, and perhaps even lead the song service on Father’s Day. By confining themselves to such traditional male roles, they can still be vitally important in the life of the church.
I have shamelessly cut and pasted the hilarious above-quoted post from Serving Bread, and was made aware of the post by Helen from Conversation at the Edge. We talk about women’s issues here a lot, since exiting the bowels of patriarchy has been a huge part of my life these last couple years.
I know that those of you who were once, like me, fully invested in all the “godly” and “Biblical” and “logical” reasons for subjecting women will truly appreciate the above quote. Good grief. Men wouldn’t put up with this stuff. I could never sucker my husband into believing the above. So why did we women ever sit quietly and buy it? Why do many women I know today still sit quietly and buy it—-an argument no less foolish than the one above?
I only have one answer and it’s found in the prophetic words of Gen. 3:16, since no other explanation makes any shred of sense. It wasn’t supposed to be this way.

















Posted by Annie on April 26, 2008 at 3:18 pm
oh gosh, this is perfect. it made me laugh, but it is also sad that so many people believe it when they hear this sort of thing about the role of women in the church.
Posted by Alaina on April 26, 2008 at 3:24 pm
I saw this the other day and it made me sad. But at the same time it just made me SO mad.
When I look at this I realize how ridiculous these arguments are…but people really believe them when they are said about women. It is so scary.
Posted by Naomi on April 26, 2008 at 4:57 pm
I’m speechless. It’s really that good. Thanks for posting it.
Posted by ~liz on April 26, 2008 at 5:26 pm
hilarious. thank you for sharing it and your (serious) thoughts afterwards.
~liz
Posted by Andrea on April 26, 2008 at 6:24 pm
A breath of absolute humour when I needed it most! Yes, if I let myself think about the real implications of this for too long I will be heartbroken for the men and women who still buy into the lie, but for now I am just going to walk away with the comical side of it because that’s what I need at the moment
Thank you, Molly; perfect timing!
Posted by madame on April 26, 2008 at 7:01 pm
This is so funny! Thank you for sharing.
I will copy the list for my husband to read…. ( he has nothing against BE in the church)
Posted by Bryan Riley on April 27, 2008 at 2:45 am
I just thought of Robin Williams having his students stand on the desk to get a different view of their classroom in Dead Poet’s Society – what a great scene. This is a nice way to turn conventional (patriachical church) wisdom on its head (in a loving way).
Posted by CHARIS SHALOM » They Say Curiosity Killed the Cat on April 27, 2008 at 3:00 am
[...] found this on one of the blogsites I love to go when I want to think about something in a new way – Adventures [...]
Posted by E (aka Jacob) on April 27, 2008 at 6:05 am
A new book for you to read:
http://www.theresurgence.com/thomas_schreiner_2002_review_of_slaves_women_and_homosexuals
Slaves, Women & Homosexuals: Exploring the Hermeneutics of Cultural Analysis. By William J. Webb. Downers Grove: InterVarsity, 2001. 301 pp. n.p.
Posted by Kari @ InThisStorm on April 27, 2008 at 7:28 am
Wow!
Printing that one out!
*Love it!*
Posted by Greg Anderson on April 27, 2008 at 9:16 am
Hilariously satirical Mollerz! Do ya think Ware, Grudem and MacArthur will ever recover?
Posted by traveller on April 27, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Thanks for the good laugh but with thought provoking ideas in the humor. One of the best ways to turn things upside down, or should I say right side up in this case?
Posted by pistolpete on April 28, 2008 at 6:37 am
Funny stuff. Thanks.
Posted by Atlantic on April 28, 2008 at 1:14 pm
I find it fascinating to compare this with the discussions of the male-only priesthood in the Catholic Church. For example, here is an article about that, but the arguments raised have almost no overlap with the sort of complementarian arguments discussed in that last link of yours.
Obviously, though, the Catholic discussions on the matter are focussing on a male-only priesthood, not ministry. The article I linked actually states that for Protestant traditions that reject the priesthood, there is no fundamental theological reason why women can’t be full-fledged ministers.
Posted by Kievas Fargo on April 28, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Oh, this is great–thanks for posting it!
Posted by Beatrice on April 29, 2008 at 6:53 am
Bwahahahahaha … some time ago I would just have been scandalized by this. I still do think only men can be pastors. But my thinking has softened a lot and my mind has opened more when it comes to gender issues. That little satire has some good points I will have to think about.
Posted by Atlantic on April 29, 2008 at 7:21 am
I find it fascinating to compare this with the discussions of the male-only priesthood in the Catholic Church. For example, here is an article about that, but the arguments raised have almost no overlap with the sort of complementarian arguments discussed in that last link of yours.
Obviously, though, the Catholic discussions on the matter are focussing on a male-only priesthood, not ministry. The article I linked states that for Protestant traditions that reject the priesthood, there is no fundamental theological reason why women can’t be full-fledged ministers.
Posted by Atlantic on April 29, 2008 at 7:23 am
I find it fascinating to compare this with the discussions of the male-only priesthood in the Catholic Church. For example, here is an article about that, but the arguments raised have almost no overlap with the sort of complementarian arguments discussed in that last link of yours.
Obviously, though, the Catholic discussions on the matter are focussing on a male-only priesthood, not ministry. The article I linked states that for Protestant traditions that reject the priesthood, there is no fundamental theological reason why women can’t be full-fledged ministers.
Posted by Atlantic on April 29, 2008 at 7:30 am
Molly, I can’t seem to submit any comment with a link!
Posted by molleth on April 29, 2008 at 8:44 am
I rescued it from my Spam box—it’s up there now. It’s supposed to only catch comments with two or more links, but for some reason, it got upset with you.
Posted by Lori on May 2, 2008 at 4:41 am
I found you via a tangled web of comments and links that began at A Church for Starving Artists, and I’m glad I did! “Exiting the bowels of patriarchy” is one of the best lines I’ve read in ages. Perfectly describes my theological location at the moment–not quite sure where I’ve been deposited, but the getting-out is right on. I hate that it took me 30+ years of blindly, obediently supporting said patriarchy to finally get here, but better late than never. Thanks for the great read.
Posted by molleth on May 2, 2008 at 8:03 am
Lori,
Welcome! I believe (if memory is correct) that I was 30 or 31 when all of this began to implode on me. I’m about to turn 33 in a week or two.
Anyways, I can really relate to the: “not quite sure where I’ve been deposited…” That is SO exactly how I felt. It was a wonderful HORRIBLE time period of cataclysmic change. When you’ve defined who you are and what you can do on a lie, to then discover that it was a lie means that you don’t know who you are and what you can do—-it’s a “finding oneself” process all over again.
Posted by ApprehendingGrace.com » Top 10 Reasons Men Shouldn’t Be Pastors… on May 2, 2008 at 5:40 pm
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Posted by Paul on May 3, 2008 at 12:05 am
not to mention that we think about sex every 7 sec……..onds so might get a little dis…… racted
Posted by Men in Ministry? « My Daily Waffles on November 11, 2008 at 3:50 pm
[...] first saw this list at Adventures in Mercy. It made me smile, but it is also a biting commentary on the reasons we often give for women not [...]
Posted by Sally on June 15, 2009 at 9:08 am
I stumbled accross you blog via 2 other sites. Crazy how God works (TeriTeri & Hippychick).
From one woman leader to another…you were not a mistake. God does not make mistakes. After obtaining a Doctorate in Seminary and still not being “enough” I realized my role is out in the world. Not to work in the sterile environment of the religious community. I needed to follow Jesus not man. In order to work in a church I needed to compromise who I was and my beliefs. Which means to “fit in” we need to be less spiritual. Not a good place for a woman who is a leader but the world is a perfect place for her skills. The kingdom is in need of more woman leaders. Thank you for your post. I am sorry for your heartache. I have felt your pain, but I am grateful you are using it to reach out to others. You go sister!