“The weakness of a woman is that she needs a head.”
“…No daughter of Eve should follow the path of Eve and lead to tragedy by entering into the forbidden territory of rulership that was intended for man.”
“…And the intent of what the Word is saying here is that a woman needs protection, that she has a certain vulnerability. She was designed with the need for a head. She was designed for the need for a leader. She was designed with the need for a protector and a savior.” —-John MacArthur, from this sermon
Head means leader? Head means savior? MacArthur teaches his people that a woman’s male “head” is her savior. It’s not so far fetched. After all, I’ve shared before that patriarchy taught me exactly that: that a woman needs a male mediator. It’s part of what made exiting patriarchy so hard—the thought that stepping out from “headship” and thinking for myself meant that I was wide open to Satan and under God’s wrath.
This concept of “male as mediator” is taught by groups like Vision Forum who teach the gospel of federal headship (the male “head” represents his family to God), who apply it to church announcments and recieving the Lord’s Supper [males must give it to females, a son to his mother if the father is not there, etc], but it’s not just taught by fringe groups. Johnny Mac is pretty mainstream, sad to say, and that implies that the teaching quoted above isn’t all that odd.
Consider these musings on the meaning of kephale/head: Grudem and kephale, CBMW, Grudem, kephale, Household: Head as Origin or Source, or Household: Household Code Lost in Translation, Kephale. This is not to say emphatically that kephale cannot mean authority. It is just to say that there are good and valid reasons to doubt that it does.
John MacArthur’s quotes help dilineate for us just what happens when we think that women are designed by God to be under male authority. A system of mediation begins to flourish, much like the Levitical priests mediated for the OT Israelites. At which point we have to ask, did the work of the Cross truly form us all into prophets, priests and kings, or are those roles still partitioned off, only accessible to those who are able to be circumcized on the outside?
Before Christ, the mark of faith was truly a male-oriented mark. Circumcision was available to the female only in so far as she appropriated the circumcision of her male leader. God never said that the Law would save us from the male-rule prophesied in Genesis 3:16, so we shouldn’t be shocked when we find patriarchy after the Fall. There was One promised, though, who would break the chain of the Fall’s destruction, who would crush the head of the serpant.
After Christ, the mark of faith was changed. No longer a cutting of male-only flesh, the mark of faith became something accessible to all believers. Baptism was and is available to Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female. The mark of faith no longer demands that you identify with a certain cultural heritage, or belong to a specified gender or economic status.
So bringing back male-mediation to women makes me think we should get rid of baptism and go back to circumcision—or maybe, to make it a little less painful for all the non-circumcized men out there, we should just stop baptizing females. After all, I don’t need to be baptized, if John MacArthur is correct. All I need to do is obey the leadership of my husband. Hey, I was designed to be saved by following his lead, right? So isn’t baptizing women a waste of a hard-working male pastor’s time and energy? Just baptise the mediators—they can get dunked for the rest of us.
HT to Cindy Kunsman, at Under Much Grace, taken from this post. If your blood pressure can hack it, feel free to read the whole post, if you would like to experience a larger selection of quotes like the one above.


















Posted by Katherine Gunn on April 28, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Wow. Very well said. When I walked away from my church over a year ago, the ‘losing my covering’ scare tactic was used – especially since I am single (with no husband, the pastor became my cover…eww, ‘nuf said!).
Thanks for this post. Breaking free of the web of lies takes effort. This gives strength.
Posted by J. K. Gayle on April 29, 2008 at 1:46 am
Yup. You’ve punched a hole in this male logic.
>“The weakness of a man (even a manly man) is that he needs a head.”
>“…No son of Adam should follow the path of Adam and lead to tragedy by entering into the forbidden territory of rulership that was intended for God.”
>“…And the intent of what the Word is saying here is that a a man (even a manly man) needs protection, that he has a certain vulnerability. He was designed with the need for a head too. He was designed for the need for a leader. He was designed with the need for a protector and a savior.”
Are these statements not as true as pastor MacArthur’s are? If you just substitute God and Christ where “man” is in the statements.
The big problem is the patriarchal, male-priest-who’s-not-jesus, headship. And the question, for men, remains: why didn’t Jesus get circumcised and baptized for all of us who are males–so we don’t have to? Does that mean we men under Christ have in him a faulty head? Or does that mean we are usurping our authority to try to reign even with him or high over him? Which means Mr. MacArthur should let Jesus preach that sermon and he himself should be silent in the church. I mean, if we get this hierarchy chain right and all, let’s get the men lined up too. God head of Jesus, Jesus head of man, man head of woman, man master head of slave, man parent head of child
Posted by Paul Burleson on April 29, 2008 at 3:54 am
Molly,
You’ve nailed it again.
In the New Covenant we all [male, female, Jew, Greek, slave, free, young, old,] have a Head and his name is NOT________. [Insert the name of any pastor or male spouse.] His name is Jesus.
Also, remember there IS circumcision in the New Covenant, but it is a circumcision of the heart. And, last time I checked, male AND female have one of those.
Posted by Beatrice on April 29, 2008 at 7:02 am
J.K., wow, I hadn’t even looked at it that way. Disturbing.
In this world, women need men. But men need women. We’re all human beings. We all desperately need each other. But this is not even close to the level and quality of desperation with which we all need God.
Posted by sonja on April 29, 2008 at 7:50 am
If anyone needs a mediator, let them go to a Catholic church. Otherwise, none of us needs a mediator … we have Jesus Christ alone. That is enough. Everything else is just so much bullshit created by humans in order to manipulate a power base. It is not of God. You cannot pick and choose. You either need one, therefore belong in a different church system, or you don’t.
Posted by Michael Kruse on April 29, 2008 at 11:53 am
Thanks for the links, Molly.
Posted by Greg Anderson on April 29, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Good stuff Mollerz. How does it feel to have the shackles of slavery struck off? For me it was like how it smells after a late spring rain in the morning. That and the old standard hymn “Beautiful Saviour”.
All I can say is keep on bloggin’ , prayin’ and hopin’ that more brothers and sisters will be freed from these rickety old belief systems…
Posted by madame on April 30, 2008 at 1:00 am
Thanks for that post, Molly.
I’m finding John Mc Arthur hard to swallow when it comes to marriage….
This article is very good: http://www.westernseminary.edu/papers/Faculty/sab_sub.pdf -
Posted by madame on April 30, 2008 at 1:02 am
I submitted my comment too quickly!
This teaching on male headship as mediator is very dangerous, but I can see how women will accept it.
Posted by Rebecca Campos on April 30, 2008 at 5:49 am
Male “headship” is just another excuse for men to abuse women in my opinion. It may not be physical, but it is still setting up women for financial and emotional abuse not to mention that spiritual abuse. A mere mortal as our “covering” or “leader” or whatever is just another excuse used throughout the centuries to suppress women and have what they think is a legitamate reason to abuse us. I have met some good men and some bad men and not even the best of the best is fit to hold the authority of ownership of another person.
I find no where in the Bible that God names the husband/pastor as a head…in fact the Bible speaks of ALL of us being the body under the headship of CHRIST. Uhmm..hello…one of the 10 commandments says we shall have no other Gods before Him…I believe that applies to setting up a man as “head” of a woman. Patriarchalist types are setting their women up to go to hell by breaking a commandment I would suppose.
Everything I read in my Bible shows God/Jesus LOVED women and did not treat them any differently. Not one example can I think of where Jesus himself mistreated a woman or acted as though she were “less than” his male disciples. Good thing for me I think (now) the whole patriarch thing is a load of hooey and that my share of the inheritence in Christ is just as much as Mr. MacArthur.
(Historical fact…up until less than 100 years ago women could not own property and hold on to an inheritance in her own right which is another one of those patriarch men as leaders garbage excuses…which explains why so many men today are trying to have a resurgence and cram it down our throats again. They have everything to gain and nothing to lose whereas we have everything to lose and nothing to gain….interesting).
Posted by Viola on April 30, 2008 at 7:12 am
Thanks Molly,
Of course MacArthur is right, ” She [and he] was designed with the need for a protector and a savior,” his name is Jesus. Good post.
Posted by Atlantic on April 30, 2008 at 8:17 am
”Historical fact…up until less than 100 years ago women could not own property and hold on to an inheritance in her own right…
Not true. Women in the Middle Ages often had property rights, rights of contract and so forth. Although it typically applied to widows and single women, married women could (particularly in urban trade centres) have the legal status of a femme sole and so own property and conduct business on her own behalf.
I know of at least one historian who pins the downturn in women’s fortunes on the Renaissance (which looked back to Roman and Greek pagan classicism) and the Reformation specifically.
Posted by madame on April 30, 2008 at 9:05 am
Rebecca,
Paul (Bible, NT) does state that
23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. ( Ephesians 5)
And
3Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
We are all the body, that’s very true, but husbands are the heads of their wives.
I think the problem is what has been read into the word “head”. It’s a concept that many (like myself) struggle to understand, because it’s rather strange.
Posted by Cindy, the non-normative on April 30, 2008 at 9:27 am
Molly,
Are you getting me into more trouble than I’m already in???? Ha, ha, ha.
My girlfriend and I laughted ourselves silly one night over this after her husband did something really stupid and unChristian… If our salvation and sanctification was dependent and contingent upon our husbands, where would we be. I said that I would like to see the human, male or female, that could save the likes of us and what sorry straights we would be in if this were truly the case. Only by the Blood of the Lamb and the saving grace (aorist tense – past, present, future -ongoing) of God and His work in my life, mortifying my flesh.
The next step seems to be the preaching of I Tim 2:15 to women in place of John 3:16 and Eph 2:8-9 to declare the Gospel to the weaker vessel.
God have mercy on us all!
Posted by Rebecca Campos on April 30, 2008 at 9:52 am
”Historical fact…up until less than 100 years ago women could not own property and hold on to an inheritance in her own right…”
I stand corrected, though I was thinking of this country and the women whose husbands died and the property was not passed to the widow but rather to an adult son or whomever the state chose (or she could always get married again).
FWIW, I am not a big fan of Paul since I think on several occasions he contradicts other portions of the Bible, though in fairness he wrote through the same human lenses we all try to understand with. I am not without compassion for him and don’t throw out all that he writes, but these were letters he wrote and not words of Jesus and he uses a lot of double-speak at times. To each their own. I just don’t see how in most cases having a man as covering does anything as we don’t need a mediator to come before the throne of God and a husband can’t guarantee your salvation no matter how submissive you are and how godly he is.
If I had to live as “less than” with my husband I believe my marriage would fail. My marriage survives because I have a say, am an equal partner in this venture, and can think for myself and express myself without fear of retribution. I am not a slave to every whim and dictate of a mere mortal man. To me, that is what patriarchy is… I followed the crowd (QF) and tried that way of life for several years and it was miserable trying to always please him and put my own feelings aside. Ultimately it almost destroyed my marriage because it made me look wishy-washy to my husband and allowed him far more control than was wise (certain household issues were a mess and he was not coping well without my input).
Anyways… Back to work.
Rebecca Campos
Posted by Linnet on April 30, 2008 at 11:53 am
Rebecca are you perhaps thinking of the Married Women’s Property Act in 1870? (I’m writing from the UK now, so this might only pertinent to here; I’m not sure how it all panned out in the US).
Married women up until this time were ‘femmes covert’ and anything she owned was transferred automatically to her husband on marriage. During marriage the woman had no legal rights over her possessions
The married woman could not even make a will leaving her possessions after death to whom she wished without her husband’s permission; indeed he even had the right to change his mind after her death and go against the wishes expressed in her will. All she could claim as her own was her clothes and jewellery.
Unmarried women who were no longer under their father’s roof, had control over their own estate.
Indeed women could not even get custody of their own children following divorce until later…and it was a few years later before women could divorce on the grounds of violence.
A bit off topic, but I find it interesting.
Interesting post Molly. I haven’t read much of John MacArthur’s stuff. I think JK Gayle makes a good point too.
I’ll read the other links now.
Posted by Linnet on April 30, 2008 at 12:10 pm
I read the rest of the John MacArthur quotes. I think he takes it a tad too far…Eve was Adam’s destroyer…do I remember that right? Hmmm. Rather disturbing I feel.
Here’s something I thought Ephesians 4:15 says: Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
Thinking along the husband-is-mediator suggested by some patriarchalists…Is then Christ still the wife’s ‘direct’ head too; that is, can she only approach via her husband? Like the manager asking his director to speak to the CEO on his behalf? Was the veil separating the holy of holies only torn down for the man? Can the wife not approach the throne boldly, as written in Hebrews, would the husband have to do it for her? If the husband is aiming to grow more and more in the likeness of Christ does that mean that the wife ought to grow more and more in the likeness of her husband?
Just some wonderings.
Posted by Mary in Tennessee on May 1, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Off the subject: MacArthur uses the phrase “daughter of Eve”– is that in the Bible? ‘Cause I only remember the phrases “Sons of Adam, Daughters of Eve” from C.S. Lewis’s “The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe”– NOT the Bible.
And if MacArthur got the phrase from Lewis, he’s taking it out of context. Last time I checked it, the prophecy about Narnia depended very much on there being two boys and two *girls*. And let’s not forget that although Peter ended up being High King, Lucy took guff from no one.
Posted by Julie on May 2, 2008 at 4:59 am
So interesting over here.
I feel like I fall kind of the middle of the debate. I’m a complementarian and so is my husband. So I submit in most things, but he has never, not once EVER, abused me, demeaned me, disrespected me in any way. But he is also NOT my prophet, priest, and king. He doesn’t think he is either. So we’re conservative in the reading of the texts in Ephesians, but we’re not Vision Forum followers either. What I’m saying is that you cannot assume that just because a family follows this complementarian model (and I think John MacArthur has drastically different things to say than Doug Phillips) it means the husband becomes a kind of jesus to the wife.
Posted by molleth on May 2, 2008 at 7:55 am
Yes, Julie, you are SO right. In my mind, there is a spectrum. Patriarchalists/”hard”-comps fall to the extreme side, like VF and John MacArthur. Soft-comps, such as what you described yourself to be, are pretty far down the line from them.
In fact, soft-comps were recently given quite the tongue-lashing by a patriarchalist leader, who said that their marriages look a lot like egalitarian marriages (meaning, you need to get your act together and stop working together so much and getting along so well!). *grins*
Posted by Sandy Hovatter on May 2, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Doesn’t it grieve your heart to be at the center of such a polarizing issue just because you’re a woman. I get VERY tired of it.
It also grieves my heart that in general, I believe the Church disrespects women more than the secular world. We ought to be setting the example…even if you fall on the side of limiting the role of women (which I clearly don’t), there can be no question that Scripture teaches that men are to honorc and give their lives for their wives.
My husband and I operate more on a “functional authortiy” model. There are areas of life in which I’m gifted and he gives me authority to manage those areas of our joint lives & there are areas in which he’s more gifted and I give him authority to manage those areas. Big things are always joint decisions.
God created wives to be the “helper” for men — I initially thought of that as “administrative assistant.” But the word translated helper is actually a word that is used most often by God to describe His own relationship with Israel. How cool is that?
Grace & peace,
Sandy
Posted by traveller on May 2, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Sandy, your comment reminds me of a couple of things. First, you are absolutely correct the the two Hebrew words translated “helper” are ezer kenegdo. They literally mean “a power or strength equal to”. So, Eve was a power or strength equal to Adam. And, yes, the only time ezer, which is the power/strength word is used for a human in the Old Testament is in reference to Eve. All other times it is used in relation to God as the rescuer of Israel or someone. Women are in pretty good company with God, if you ask me. As a man, I actually find my wife is all of this to me, a power and strength and my rescuer. What a great and wonderful blessing to have such a person to be one with in life.
Also, it seems to me egualitarians can get it wrong at times. Equal yes but not independent. Women and men are interdependent upon one another and as wife and husband should reflect the paradox of the unity and diversity of the Trinity.
One of the real problems of patriarchy, in my opinion, is that to get their view of hierarchy in marriage a distortion of the relationship between the Father and Jesus is insisted upon. Instead of an equal and interdependent relationship, MacArthur and others insist that Jesus is eternally subordinate to the Father.
Posted by Katherine Gunn on May 3, 2008 at 12:04 am
Traveller~
“Equal yes but not independent.”
I would agree with you as long as you are talking specifically of marriage – equal partners in marriage. But I have run into a huge amount of condescending “sympathy” and “concern” because I am not (and never have been) married. When I chose to leave the church I was a leader at 15 months ago, the pastor warned me sternly that being a single woman, I was especially in need of his ‘pastoral covering’ to keep from being deceived and if I left the church I would be in grave danger. So, I just wanted to add to the discussion the thought that being unmarried does not mean unprotected and unequal – and if you are not married, you are, by definition (in the human relational context) independent.
Of course, this can be a whole other can of worms, doctrinally speaking.
Posted by Andrea on May 3, 2008 at 5:48 am
And let’s not forget that although Peter ended up being High King, Lucy took guff from no one.
Hah this one made me smile! Lewis is one of my all time favourite storytellers– such a conversational voice, and such simple, powerful truths. Love him!
And yes– Lucy the Valiant was no shrinking violet! It’s a fascinating field of study, really, to examine the fate of Susan, the archetypal “gentle” female, and contrast it with the position of Lucy, who bucked the traditional role in her position as warrior-queen and yet seems to generally come across as the most appealing personality (I say this, mind you, as someone who identifies with Susan the most and admires Aravis the best! Neither do I believe Susan’s final fate was in fact her final one– there is apocryphal evidence enough to suggest Lewis had not meant for her to remain always where he left her, and later regretted not making this more clear)
Lucy, however, is the one whose siblings deride her the most and understand her the least, and yet she’s the one who follows hardest and truest after Aslan himself (the whole section in Prince Caspian where only she can see Aslan, and is eventually told that she must follow him alone if her siblings refuse to hear her, is a perfect example of this). It’s almost as if Lewis is suggesting that these two things –pursuit of Christ and alienation from the world– almost invariably go hand in hand
. . . wrote a bit of a thesis there myself, I see! But yes, I simply love those stories! And I agree, Mary; the use of “daughter of Eve” in this context did remind me only of Lewis, since the phrase is not, to my knowledge, a Biblical one.
Posted by traveller on May 3, 2008 at 8:14 am
Katherine Gunn,
Thank you for helping to clarify my point. I agree with you that an unmarried woman does not need any covering any more than a married woman does not need one either. It certainly was not my intent to imply such. Thanks for making sure this was clear.
However, I would suggest that the interdependence is more easily understood and perhaps in some sinces appropriate in a marriage relationship, I would also suggest it is not limited to that situation.
By this I mean that if the image of God in humans could not be fully expressed in only one gender, which I believe is the case, then it seems to me that women and men are interdependent in some respects even outside of the marriage context. To be fully human I think it is important for women and men to recognize each others giftings from God and to each other.
Let me give an example. Some years ago I would travel to a country in the Middle East where women and men do not mix in any fashion except within the family. Often I would spend as much as a month without any interaction with a woman, only men. Let me assure you that such a situation creates a great deal of distortion in all aspects of life.
So, our mutual interdependence, in my view, relates to all aspects of life, including government, work, social, etc. But to reiterate, my idea of interdependence in no way would mean some kind of covering by a man over a woman. And, I do not believe a person, woman or man, must be married to be what Father created them to be.
Posted by Mary in Tennessee on May 3, 2008 at 11:29 am
Andrea,
No worries about the thesis– I’m writing a twelve-page paper on TLTWATW for a children’s lit. class, so I had Lucy on the brain!
–I wonder what Lewis wouls ay to MacArthur for totally taking his phrase out of context. Hmmm. Oh well, another thesis, another time!
Oh! And I looked it up in Strong’s last night: no such phrase in the Bible. So it’s MacArthur being unbiblical to preach his own gospel.
Posted by Mary in Tennessee on May 3, 2008 at 11:30 am
oops! Meant ‘would say’. I’m not hungover. I just need sleep.
Posted by Linnet on May 3, 2008 at 12:22 pm
I haven’t got time to put together a wise comment because my hubby is (in a non-patriarchal manner) nagging me to choose what we watch on TV tonight (it’s late here in the UK) but I simply wanted to say how much I am enjoying the discussion here, particularly the points about CS Lewis’ writing (rather a hero of mine).
Blessings!
Posted by Katherine Gunn on May 3, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Traveller~
Thanks for the added thoughts. Yes, I agree that we should not be ’segregated’ from interaction between men and women.
“To be fully human I think it is important for women and men to recognize each others giftings from God and to each other.”
I agree!
But I have found that this perspective is so rare among both men and women within the church. Sometimes, the pressure to stay ‘in your place’ just as strong from other women as it is from men.
I like the idea that God needed two genders to give expression to Himself. Thanks for that!
Posted by traveller on May 3, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Katherine Gunn,
You wrote, “But I have found that this perspective is so rare among both men and women within the church. Sometimes, the pressure to stay ‘in your place’ just as strong from other women as it is from men.”
Yes, I agree with you completely. This has been very frustrating to me personally. It is very difficult to have a civil and constructive conversation with people who believe a woman needs a man as her “head”.
I live in a university community that is quite conservative in most senses of the word, including its Christianity. When I did some teaching on the equality of women and men in the church I got quite a surprisingly negative response from both women and men. Unfortunately, I think far too many who claim to follow Jesus have a few that women are less than men. This saddens me greatly. I truly enjoy and receive seriously the ideas, thoughts, perspectives of women in all areas including spiritual. I have received many spiritual insights from women, including Molly and those who comment here.
Thank you for interacting with me. I have enjoyed our conversation so far. Even though I do not know you I appreciate your contribution to Father’s work in creation.
Posted by Katherine Gunn on May 3, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Traveller~
Thank you. I have enjoyed this interaction as well.
I appreciate your contribution, too. This interaction made me think a little harder on this. And that is a good thing.
Papa God’s blessings on you in your journey. Heart peace to you.
Katherine
Posted by Bryan Riley on May 4, 2008 at 8:39 am
Molly,
Paul Burleson commented here and gave you high praise. That might not fully resonate with you, but in case you didn’t know he is a mighty man of faith, around 70 years of age, who has been in the pastorate all his adult years. his son is a pastor and I believe he comes from somewhat of a heritage of ministry. Now, that still might not mean a ton, but did I mention that he is a Southern Baptist pastor??? I’ve heard him preach about what he knows now that he wish he knew then and how he has moved from a more fundamental view of things (because he heard it from men he loved and respected) to a biblical view of things through his own studies and the Holy Spirit.
Anyway, I love Paul. He is a mentor and friend.
God bless!
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