I can tell that, to some people, I’m terribly offensive now. I didn’t used to be that way (at least I don’t think). I was in the same trenches they were in. We were on the same side. When my paradigm came crashing in, I suppose it’s fair to say that I blew up in the trench, pieces of my dearest thoughts splattering all over treasured friends.
It would have really helped if I’d not been online, co-owning and co-running a big website, blog, and forum for conservative complementarian/patriarchal women. And even better, it would have been nice had I some clue what was happening to me, instead of being a big weeping frothing disaster of bones and flesh. All I knew for sure was that my whole world was coming crashing down—whether right or wrong, it was unstoppable. And when the dust and smoke began to clear, I discovered that my whole world consisted 99.9% of wood, hay, and stubble.
I’d thought it was built on solid bedrock, built on Christ. That’s why I taught those things, that’s why I lived those things. I thought they were Him. But after the shaking, only He was left. And I hardly recognized Him at all. There was just this big gaping hole of nothing—the place where all my neat little conclusions used to be. I realized that my whole world was gone. I’d thought it was built on Christ, but What I thought He was, Who I thought He was, had all burned away.
I say all of that to try and explain that which I cannot seem to explain. I didn’t know what I thought or what I should think, then. I was shell-shocked. But now I’ve admittedly changed many of my strongly held views. Some people are very angry that I am now egalitarian in my views on gender. (It doesn’t matter if I explain that both my personal experience and my Scriptural experience began telling me that I was very wrong–that I cannot support patriarchy and still be consistant with who I see God to be). Some are very angry that I am no longer conservative in my political views. (It doesn’t matter if I explain that I’m not really in any party: I’m just no longer a knee-jerk conservative Republican and I rebel against the false idea that “good Christians” have to be one).
Some people assume all sorts of things about what I think or mean—sort of a, “when in doubt, assume the worst” approach. I admit that I find it painful to be viewed as an enemy instead of a person. And some are very angry that I am anything at all. Once I left their camp, their affection for me evaporated on the spot.
Sometimes love is real, and sometimes it’s just a performance contest—something to the effect of, “You do things my way, and then I’ll grant you my affection.” Conditional love: a love based primarily on outward performance. Not the kind of love that the prodigal son’s father had. You find out if love is real when you stop dancing to the tune.
And my heart is tested in this same way. I really can’t say that I spend a lot of time at the end of the road, waiting in hope, hurting because my love runs deep. Most of the time I find myself identifying with the elder brother in the parable, scowling, grumbling, or happiest when the “bad kid” in the family isn’t doing so hot.
And while it really bothers me that I’m like that, usually I don’t even realize I am. It’s only in retrospect, during the hours when sleep won’t come and I replay events in my mind, realizing just how grace-less I was in my interactions. My friends and aquaintances who continue to hold my former beliefs: do they have the right to continue to hold things dear that I now reject? Do I treat them with grace and honor despite our (now) differences, or do I make them endure the thing I so hate? “Ahem. Perform properly so that I can love you.”
I hate group-think in theory, but group-think is a lot easier to be around. Hey, if everybody does things my way, it sure makes life easier. It sure makes relating easier. Not nearly so messy. We can all just be “like-minded.” I think “like-minded” is just a lace-draped way of saying, “I like myself.” Because if I only want to be around people who think just like I do, then its obvious what I really want to be around. Me.
But I don’t want to be around group-think, not really. It provides a false sense of community, a pretend version of love, but there’s no teeth in it. And besides, there was no group-think when the Star-Flinger left it all and was born disguised in wobbly baby arms and legs. No unanimous consent, no Orthopedic mattresses at night, no adoring throngs that fanned Him with palm branches lest His precious wittle face get sun-burnt. The reason John notes that they spread palms before Him is because it wasn’t a normal event.
Shepherds lead the way—that’s what they do best. So I want to follow, and in so doing I choose this messy complex muddy world, where we must slog through muck in order to love, with no guarantees of being loved in return.

















Posted by Katherine Gunn on May 1, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Hmm… what can I say. Well said? Yeah, well said. I have experienced the distancing of friends and family – almost in fear that I might contaminate them, it seems. I have actually seen the fear in their eyes. I realized a few months ago, with some irony, that I had become what I used to fear – a questioner. It is a much better place. It is more stable, even when it feels less stable. And it is far easier to quit trying so hard to get it all right and just be – in His grace.
Posted by Linnet on May 2, 2008 at 12:39 am
Beautiful.
Posted by servetus on May 2, 2008 at 1:13 am
I’ve always found it interesting that something that I consider a sign of maturity and wisdom, i.e., the willingness to change your opinion when you get new information or new experiences, and the humility to recognize that you don’t know everything about the world yet and are still learning, is considered by many to be “flip-flopping.” It is interesting that two of the biggest internet advocates of QF, Matt and Sora Colvin, said this week that they are no longer QF, and there are as many people questioning their decision as supporting it.
It’s really unfortunate that our friends and family feel this need for distancing when we go through these experiences, indeed, just when need them the most. But I, like you, have come to the conclusion that that is about their needs for security and not about mine.
Posted by E (aka Jacob) on May 2, 2008 at 3:01 am
Positively 4th Street
Posted by madame on May 2, 2008 at 3:03 am
Molly,
Thank you for being so honest and saying it so well!
I was going to say that we questioners have to show grace, treat the “followers of the crowd” with the same grace we expect them to show us for our questioning, but you addressed that already.
Isn’t it interesting how God throws you out of your comfort zone when you ask him to mold you and make you grow? It hurts. But the pain is worth it because you know he’s working on you.
I’ve been thrown out of my comfort zone, confronted with a lot of extrabiblical law ( my FIL’s gospel), and am confronting situations that require grace from my side and reevaluating my set of beliefs (going into God’s word and asking Him!)
I’ve become wary of second hand gospels. People who write a book and say “read this, follow the principles therein, and everything will be great”, and we all know of at least one book that claims that, are leading people astray. We need to keep pointing to Jesus. He is the truth. As we get to know him more, we are set free. But woe betide us if we turn around and start writing our own gospels!
It’s easy to accept the grace for ourselves. The challenge is to extend it freely, as we have received it.
Keep up the good work!
Posted by madame on May 2, 2008 at 3:05 am
It’s easy to accept the grace for ourselves. The challenge is to extend it freely, as we have received it.
Keep up the good work!
This should read “it’s relatively easy to accept the grace for ourselves” (because it’s not always that easy…)
Posted by Kari @ InThisStorm on May 2, 2008 at 3:51 am
Wow.
So well said.
So well thought.
~K
Posted by jettybetty on May 2, 2008 at 4:25 am
I agree with Servetus on wisdom and changing. I am sorry you’ve lost family/friends along the way of your journey. However, if you believe something is in scripture and from God how can we not change and follow Him?
I keep changing as I see/understand new things. I would rather just figure God out, but then, there wouldn’t be much need for faith.
My challenge is to love the family/friends unconditionally–even when they can’t seem to love back! As imperfect as I am, I know that’s what God wants me to do, then leave the rest to Him!
Blessings Molly!
Posted by TheNormalMiddle on May 2, 2008 at 5:07 am
Molly, I still love you….you are honest and real, something that is sorely lacking in the body of Christ at times today.
I’m in much of the same place you are, except I’m not always brave enough to say it out loud like you. Kudos to you friend.
We all journey to Christ in such different ways. There is no one formula like the fundie frootloops would have you believe (yes, I use that term, and yes, it makes some people mad, but it is exactly how I feel).
Posted by jewlsntexas on May 2, 2008 at 5:30 am
I related so strongly with this post. I can relate to that experience of friends you felt almost conjoined to suddenly looking at you as if you are a stranger, like they don’t know you at all – as if all the beliefs you held were who you are and not the person underneath.
You articulated it so well.
Posted by Melissa on May 2, 2008 at 6:31 am
The whole post was so good and easy to relate to, but the following really jumped out at me.
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I remember a time when this was something I desired. I guess I still do at times, but no longer see it as a possibility. My family is considered “weird” wherever we go. But we were warned it would be that way by Christ Himself so why does it surprise us?
It does get lonely at times and for that I am thankful for the internet and the realization that there ARE others out there who try to follow Jesus and not just the traditions that have been handed down mindlessly.
Posted by Melissa on May 2, 2008 at 6:34 am
I don’t know what I did wrong on my comments above, but I was trying to quote the section where Molly talks about group think and like-mindedness.
Hmm. It seemed easy enough to post a comment, but perhaps I should have just kept my thoughts to myself.
Posted by Leah on May 2, 2008 at 7:16 am
I love ya, Molly.
I loved ya in 7th grade. I missed you for years. And I love ya again.
Your Sister in Christ,
Leah down the road.
Posted by molleth on May 2, 2008 at 8:10 am
I’m running off to my in-law’s greenhouse business (where I get to go “work” [haha, that's not work, that's PLEASURE!] for a few hours every morning), so can’t comment to everyone, but just wanted to say thanks EVERYONE for the thoughts, observations, or just nice comments about our 7th grade relationship. *grins*
(Oh, and Melissa, interesting quote. Who’s is it)?
More later, after I go get down and dirty.
Posted by mel on May 2, 2008 at 11:07 am
Thanks for sharing. It has been nearly two years since we left a church headed by my brother-in-law, and the relationship between our families seems broken beyond repair. I needed both to see that someone else has had this experience, and the reminder to just love ‘em anyway as best I can.
Posted by Jae on May 2, 2008 at 11:59 am
You still have a friend here….not because of what you believe or not believe in. Mostly because I love your upbeat, funny, witty personality.. Oh, and your incredibly beautiful voice you’ve been blessed with. You always put a smile on my face. God wants us to love ALL people. Equally. You open my mind to other opinions. I liked your:
“Because if I only want to be around people who think just like I do, then its obvious what I really want to be around. Me.”
You hit the nail on the head there.
Do you have hanging flower baskets to buy yet?
Posted by Greg Anderson on May 2, 2008 at 2:16 pm
“… Aqualung my friend…. dontcha’ start away uneasy…. ya poor old sod you see it’s only me…..”
Posted by traveller on May 2, 2008 at 5:58 pm
No matter how lonely it may seem, Father, Jesus and Spirit are on the journey with you. Thank you for such an articulate, open and clear statement. I am blessed today by your life.
Posted by TulipGirl on May 2, 2008 at 7:20 pm
“Some people assume all sorts of things about what I think or mean—sort of a, “when in doubt, assume the worst” approach. I admit that I find it painful to be viewed as an enemy instead of a person. And some are very angry that I am anything at all. Once I left their camp, their affection for me evaporated on the spot.”
I have all sorts of thoughts rumbling around about this. . . and not posting them now (got to get to bed!)
But you know, Mol. . . even for those who don’t end up quite in the same location as you (theologically, spiritually, philosophically, practically), that you have painfully and quite transparently lived through this glorious mess, you know it has been the catalyst for others to pause, think, examine.
And may this winnowing help us all to see Christ through the chaff we often cling to instead of Him
Posted by Dan Brennan on May 3, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Molly,
Great post on following Christ through the contemporary maze of hermeneutics, love, and gender.
Posted by Holly on May 3, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Funny, though, I don’t think any of us were really complementarian/patriarchal…not strongly, anyway. At the time, I didn’t even know that much about it, didn’t know why it was such a hot button issue. I didn’t grow up in that world…just thought it was (and still do) a good idea for husbands and dads to be encouraged to leadership and to be servant leaders for their wives and role models for their children. I just knew that my marriage worked, well, and I wished that others could have what I had.
I think it goes deeper than this post, Molly, and it just wouldn’t be right to talk about it all here. But I haven’t stopped loving you.
Posted by Katherine Gunn on May 3, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Molly~
Hmm… more thoughts…
“But I don’t want to be around group-think, not really. It provides a false sense of community, a pretend version of love, but there’s no teeth in it.”
You’re right that it seems easier to be around people who think like you do. But in the end, it is an illusion that a group chooses to try and maintain. Kind of like the story of the ‘Emperor’s New Clothes.’
As to the false sense of security… yeah. When the crisis of faith came, I was not encouraged, helped or even comforted. I was scolded, told to be careful, and then shunned. So much for community and love. Of course, there were/are other things playing into the problems at my old church, but suffice it to say that it is dangerous to begin holding up a man (as in human) as the holder of truth over your own inner voice.
I think a lot of what plays into the reactions (from remembering my own reactions in the past) is plain and simple fear. Fear that something will shake your faith. Hmm… I think, maybe, if our faith can be shaken be someone else’s thoughts on a matter, maybe our faith needs some shaking. But, it is not my job to shake people’s faith. Thank God!
It is just my job to find my own path, test my own faith and share what I have learned with those who are interested.
Posted by molleth on May 3, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Yo, Holly! I’m glad you said that, becuase I miscommunicated if I made it seem like CH was all about being patriarchal, because you are SO right: it wasn’t (it was about encouraging women who made the choice to be home) though it was certainly conservative in it’s flavor. *I* was patriarchal, and made no bones about that in articles I wrote, promotional book reviews for the Pearl’s CTBHH, and things I promoted (wrote articles for LAF and linked to them and Vision Forum, etc, etc).
And I also picked women to join CH who were fairly like-minded (whether they had a label or not that they used–haha). We all generally affirmed that the place of a man was to lead, and the place of a woman was to follow that lead, for example. We may have all defined what that LOOKED LIKe as different though (for example, I *now* know that some of you used complementarian-type terminology, yet the description of the marriages sounded more egalitarian than anything else—very much a partnership of equals, very love-based).
I knew you all basically fit within the same framework I’d adopted—that it was safe for us all to write together, because, though we were all different, we had the same GENERAL ideas about life and stuff.
And that was really the problem—-when my ideas began to change and be tested (and, uh, burned and tortured and fried and mutilated), CH was not a good/safe place for me to process those ideas out, because we were a team blog and our particular dynamic did not really allow for strong differences of opinion (a dynamic that I likely was 100% responsible for).
I am pretty dang certain that the CH fall-out would never have happened had *I* not had a falling out with promoting the conservative view of things (well, in a way, more than just “conservative” views, because the falling out also included more hyper-conservative positions like Quiverfull, anti-feminist stuff, etc).
I don’t think about it very often these days, but it’s one of those things that I wish I could do over, with the wisdom of hindsight’s 20/20 vision. Ah, good old hindsight!
At the time, I literally did not know what was happening to me. (It is impossible to walk circumspectly when one is flat on the floor). *sad grin* I just wish there would have been a sweeter way to end it all (though it still did end politely, for the most part…just a lot of confusion that I wish I would have been more equipped to help us all avoid).
But, in keeping with this blog topic, I still feel like there are big distances between some friends because of the shift I’ve had happen in my brain, and often those differences occur during interactions in which I have a sharp feeling that what I *actually* think is not being understood at all, though the person is vigorously debating what they *think* I think…and all of it flavored with a distict lack of “benefit of the doubt.” In other words, now that I’m out of the fold, the static position to take about my thoughts/opinions is to assume the worst.
I don’t know if that makes any sense…and I’m not sure these distances can be resolved, or even if they should. *shrugs* They may be differences in personality more than position. I don’t know. If so, it’s just really interesting that these “personality differences” weren’t there very strongly *before* the shift, and are there now.
I’m not sure I’m any better, either. In fact, I’m probably the WORST of the bunch. I have such a gag reflex now to many of my former staunch beliefs, that I probably can’t hear others most of the time, me being way too busy responding to what I *think* they think (and being totally dead wrong), assuming a defensive posture, responding out of hurt, blah blah blah. Annoying, this business of being human!
To all,
Great comments. I’ve been enjoying popping in here and there and reading your thoughts. Good stuff.
Posted by Rachel on May 4, 2008 at 3:54 am
Molly, it’s along the lines of Christians shunning or even just politely ignoring those who have “sinned” as per their predefined notions of it. One of the hardest things I’ve had to face is my decision to divorce my abusive husband, because unless he was “cheating on me, there is no Scriptural grounds for it”. My (fundamentalist) pastor brother will no longer speak to me.
At this point I’m rather suspicious of anyone who thinks in black and white terms.
Posted by TulipGirl on May 4, 2008 at 9:25 am
“At this point I’m rather suspicious of anyone who thinks in black and white terms.”
Though. . . One could propose that “black and white terms” are where we start. . . taking the big-picture, rough-hewn ideas. . . Then, with time, study, experience. . . those become more refined, more nuanced. So, yes, in some situations (especially when people are “teachers”) black-and-white may raise yellow flags, I believe we need to realize that for many of us in various areas of life, the black-and-white is where we tend to start. . .
Posted by Bryan Riley on May 4, 2008 at 1:12 pm
As a fellow journey-mate, I appreciate how you’ve written about the experience and admitted when you’ve not done so well.
Posted by Kim on May 4, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Molly, many of us are hanging on for dear life trying to keep up with you. You certainly are on the move! I don’t always go in the direction you’re going in my thoughts and beliefs, but like TulipGirl said, I appreciate your transparency. I just hope you land someday!
Because if I only want to be around people who think just like I do, then its obvious what I really want to be around. Me.
That just made me laugh out loud! So true! You do make one think!
P.S. My blog addy has been changed for, like, months. You obviously don’t visit me! *sniff*
Posted by TulipGirl on May 4, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Btw, that winky face in my post–not a wink. It was actually a comma and a closing parenthesis! *L*
Posted by molleth on May 5, 2008 at 9:19 am
Thanks for the thoughts, all… As usual, nice and chewy ones. *grins*
Kim! Kim…with a changed address… *heh heh heh* (scrambles to get that fixed)…

Good to hear from ya, friend.
I have landed, btw. As landed as I’m gonna be. HA!
I think I was born to be on the move, in a sense, in that I will always be (and always was) searching out new things and enjoying them for a bit and then moving on to something else that looks fascinating. That doesn’t mean that the deeper part of me is on the move, though.
As for landed theologically/politically/socially, etc, I feel much more grounded now. I feel like I’m remembering who I am and seeing how that fits into life…and I really like being who I am.
I spent quite a long time (8 years!) trying to be someone else (the whole Biblical Womanhood hoopla), and upon leaving that, it took a year or two for me to work my way through which parts *are* me and which ones were all just a performance-based attempt to be righteous (by a standard that never was God’s in the first place). “My hope is built on nothing less, than being a homeschool QF sahm in a dress…” No, wait. That’s not how it goes. *grins*
No, this is where I’ve landed:
My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus and His righteousness,
I dare not trust the sweetest frame
But wholly lean on Jesus name,
On Christ the solid rock I stand,
All other ground is sinking sand,
ALL other ground is sinking sand.
Posted by E on May 5, 2008 at 12:21 pm
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To paraphrase former President Bill Clinton: “That depends on what the meaning of ‘righteousness’ is.”
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(Ask N.T. Wright)
Posted by molleth on May 5, 2008 at 12:28 pm
lol…
Good point!
Well, I guess what I mean is that (and I think a lot of this was in reaction to the distinct lack of concrete stuff at NCF, where we were to just “flow in the Spirit,” etc, therefore I was ripe for wanting some good solid structure to hang on to), I began to think of righteousness/holiness as a list of externals one had to perform (or at least be working really hard to try and perform).
While I still believe that faith has works (or it isn’t really faith), I have a big beef with “righteousness” being things like, “homeschooling, abstaining from birth control, buying into Vision Forum’s “Biblical” view of patriarchy/family, following a certain person’s opinion on what “Biblical” childrearing looks like, etc…”
Bleh. Boy, is that ever NOT Biblical, despite the heavy use of the word in all those sorts of teachings.
I would say the closest indicator we have of what righteousness looks like on the outside is probably the fruit of the Spirit: love, joy, peace, patience…
In other words, to paraphrase St. Paul, it really doesn’t matter if you are teaching your child Latin (or unschooling them) at home, if you do not have Love, you’ve really missed the boat.
The problem is that you can’t market the fruit of the Spirit. There’s no money in it, no adulation. Plus, it’s REALLY really hard to do. Like, impossible apart from utter dependance on the Life of God in us. Hence it’s widespread unpopularity.
Posted by E on May 5, 2008 at 1:50 pm
righteousness = justification (same word in the Greek)
sanctification = a different word
Equating righteousness with sanctification/holiness is perhaps where the problem lies. They are probably related, but not interchangeable or identical.
Of course, then you get into the issue of whether righteousness is imputed (Reformed/Calvinistic theology) or imparted (Catholicism/Orthodoxy – though probably both imputed and imparted), and if imparted, to what extent do WE increase our holiness and hence our righteousness.
But first things first – i.e., what do we mean by Jesus’s righteousness, as well as God’s righteousness? Is it an objective genitive or a subjective genitive? And how is it related to Jesus’s and God’s faith/faithfulness (and is that, too, an objective genitive or a subjective genitive)?
To quote from an old song: I suspect that I’m also “stuck in the middle with you.”
:^)
Posted by E on May 5, 2008 at 1:50 pm
And … thanks for changing your template so we don’t have to add a
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to create paragraphs.
Posted by HW on May 7, 2008 at 10:41 am
Wow. Your post was great, and the discussion is amazing!
Posted by Holly on May 7, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Thanks, Molly. It’s all okay. I wish it could have ended differently, too…
Very hard to do on-line.
Posted by Ann on May 7, 2008 at 9:22 pm
I love you, Molly.
Always.
Posted by Suzy on May 30, 2008 at 11:27 am
Thankyou for shring so your experiences so transparently. I think I was led to your words today.
God Bless
Posted by molleth on May 30, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Aw, thanks, Suzy.
I had fun poking around at your blog!
Posted by Melanchonika on June 17, 2008 at 2:22 pm
abandonment and rejection, for me are the worst states of being to be in.
when i went through my ’spiritual awakening’, aka- God shaking my foundation-i waddled through the transition. i didnt know what was what, but i knew something in the very inner core of my being had found a new place to rest. and it scared me. mostly because, well…i dont know HOW to rest.
i trusted my gut and intuitive side (yanno, the one i *ignored* for years) and began giving people around me answers and pieces of my new thinking. i was told i was licentious, falling from grace, caught up in a cult, going to the wrong counselor, wrapped up in humanism, fallen off the deep end (the irony..)and my personal favorite, “satan”. heh.
if that werent enough, my 12 step sponsor, chiropractor, and others also ‘fired’ me….yes people, you can get ‘fired’ even when you dont work a paying job. you learn something new everyday, thats for sure.
such a low place to be. so so so lonely.
but my counselor told me to just hold still with myself. i didnt have to ‘do’ anything. just hold still.
eventually, i began feeling stronger. rising above the quicksand. more confident. more aware. more trusting of myself. more calm. more peaceful. more sure i was in the exact place i was supposed to be.
im still lonely. it really painted a new picture for me of what Christs lonliness must have been like, even though we possibly can only understand but a speckle of it. not being loved simply because of your belief system royally sucks. but, still…..i am glad to know i am truly sharing in Christs suffering now. while i *thought* i was doing that, when i made the effort to get to church, when i made the effort to homeschool, when i made the effort to be lovey to hubby when i didnt want to……it takes on a whole new phonomena now. it isnt about what i sacrifice, cause when it comes down to it, you can *force* or manipulate that. what you CANT manipulate is living inside this human body, and going through things our savior went through. taking it as it comes, and holding still.sharing in his suffering. suffering hurts. sacrifice came quite easy to me. i could sacrifice my days away. what i couldnt do was just sit still and suffer.
today, sometimes i just sit around, doing nothing…..saying, “God still loves me just because, God still loves me just because”……and the guilt-infested poison leaks out…….i want to strip away every defense mechanism, and see what lies underneath. i want to act out of strength, in my authentic self, and not out of weakness, in my false self.
but i sure am glad God loves ‘false selves’ too.
deliverance………quite a scary thing. i recall stories from the bible. deliverance terrifies people. i remember, years ago, feeling so isolated and lost…and praying just a simple prayer…..”God, make me aware”……aware of what, i had no idea. but it was my regular prayer for years. while i know i wasnt technically demon possessed, i know i went thorugh a deliverance of some sort. people around us will be frightened when we become delivered….at least when it doesnt look like they imagine. and when they dont see the demon cast into a herd of pigs in front of their pupils…all the more confused they become.
Im glad for others on the same journey. im also glad for the opportunity to understand. to taste serenity, in its purest state. to just ….be enlightened.