Gentle Shepherd Parenting: A Tale of Three Markers

Sometimes Gentle Parenting Sucks.

It’s much easier to just think in terms of punitive or permissive. You know, when you’re dealing with stuff like when you tell your little preschooler to pick up the three markers on the floor and he falls down as if all the energy was sucked right out of his bones and swears that he can’t do it, he can’t do it, it will kill him if he has to pick up those three horrid fifty pound markers and walk an impossible five miles to the container that the markers go into.

The authoritarian/punitive parent just pops him, right then and there. That’ll teach him to have an emotional reaction to your command. Little tyrant. Who does he think he is, daring to have any other feeling rather than joyful obedience?  Sheesh. 

And so the problem is ”solved”: three markers cleaned up, and quickly, too.   

The permissive parent picks up the markers. It would be too much work to get the kid to do it, and besides, it’s just three markers. Like three markers really means anything. Probably shouldn’t have asked the wee little tyke to pick them up in the first place. 

And so the problem is ”solved”: three markers cleaned up, and quickly, too. 

But the gentle shepherd realizes that while both approaches solve the immediate problem, they tend to create more problems, deeper problems, than there were before.  So the gentle shepherd parent “solves the problem” in a way that the punitive and permissive parent both don’t care for, mainly because the gentle shepherd’s approach takes a little more initial work, and also because gentle shepherding tends to go against most of our instinctual responses.   

In fact, it not always being easy is an important hallmark of gentle shepherding.  The parent who is a gentle shepherd is first and foremost characterized by being more mature than the three year old.  There is nothing easy about that.  Trust me. 

This means the parent will do something like repeat the request to pick up the markers, often getting eye contact while doing it. If the child still lays there, miraculously drained of the energy that two minutes ago had him bouncing off the couches, the gentle shepherd will ask the child if he needs some help. That’s often all that needs to be said, because once the child realizes that one way or another, he will be picking up those markers, he’s usually quick to get the job done. But if not, the parent then works with the child, hand on their hand if necessary, and gets the three markers into their bin.

Gentle shepherds make sure the job gets done, but they do it in a way that clearly communicates to the child that a.) their feelings are okay, and that b.) instant obedience is nice but not necessary—as in, if you don’t want to obey, I can understand that, but at the same time, c.) obedience is not optional.  That’s why the gentle parent will volunteer to come alongside the child and help the child obey until he reaches a place where he can do it on his own.

 Learning to follow a parent’s guidance is good for a kid, but the gentle parent is careful about the things they ask. It’s not age-appropriate to ask a three year old to clean a disastrous bedroom. The three year old’s brain literally cannot handle a request of that magnitude. It is age-appropriate, however, to ask a three year old to clean up the three markers he was using by putting them in the marker bin.

The gentle parent knows that it’s never appropriate to seek to control another person’s feelings.  Babies will cry, not to manipulate parents but because they just cry. Parents are there for comforting them. This is not rocket science. Holding your baby will not spoil him. But it will probably help him have a higher IQ. [Here is where I moan and wail over not learning about the joy of using wraps until my fifth child]. 

It’s not appropriate to expect your child to always be in a bubbling joyful mood.  Do you want someone to whack you every time you express anything but smiling cheerfulness?  But it’s also never appropriate to let a kid get away with the kind of angry outbursts that hurt those around them.

Perhaps your five year old may throw a royal fit and blast the entire room with his raging.  It’s important for the gentle parent to remember that it’s okay for your child to be angry, but it’s not okay to scream until everyone’s ears have burst—and it’s never okay to call other people names. Be angry but do not sin. Meaning, most importantly, you can’t scream at your child to stop screaming.  (That just teaches that only the biggest person in the room is allowed to scream angrily at others).  You also can’t stand by helplessly allowing your child to be hurtful to everyone else in the room.  But we can help our kids learn how to handle their feelings in healthy and appropriate ways.

A gentle parent notices when a child has difficulty with his feelings, and works to guide that child into more appropriate expressions of his emotions. This will give your children an edge on most American adults. But you might be like most American adults, which means you’ll have to first learn what healthy and appropriate emotional responses look like.  Ouch. 

Gentle shepherds give kids structure in the areas where structure is needed, and freedom in the areas where freedom is needed. Boundaries keep kids feeling secure and loved. Regular wake-up times and bed-times are a positive thing for kids.  Some of us struggle with that more than others, in either direction.  But just as sheep must be guided to good pastures and clean streams, so must our children.  Boundaries are meant to nurture life.  But, also important, boundaries were never meant to be a prison cell. 

A gentle shepherd knows that lambs need places to run and buck and kick and dance. Sometimes, or maybe even more than sometimes, that means that living rooms get turned into massive couch-cushion forts, bedrooms get transformed into Dog Hotel, flour gets all over the place from a well-intentioned concoction of sugar cookie dough, and kitchen tables get covered with sagging paper plates barely able to hold their heavy load of glue-laden noodles and beans.

Gentle shepherds let it happen, but they are also not the family slave. In fact, they mention that to their kids sometimes, since it usually gets a chuckle. When play time is over, gentle parents help organize the clean-up-a-thon. Gentle parents notice that after a certain amount of time, the imaginary world of Dog Hotel begins to sour and it becomes obvious that Dog Hotel has gone to the dogs. That’s when it’s time to get the house put back in order, and, truly, it’s amazing what can be done with a good strong, “Five Minute Clean!” and a set timer.  In fact, this gentle shepherd thinks that a Timer is an essential parenting tool.  It is for her, anyway. 

Gentle shepherds note the phenomemon of massive amounts of energy available for play, but the mysterious disappearance of those energy reserves when it’s time for every day cleaning, so they operate accordingly. This Gentle Shepherd’s chore system pays “Mom Dollars,” redeemable at the Mom Store which opens every Friday. There you can purchase Tic-Tac’s and Fruit Leathers and chapsticks and other various treasures. But only if you earned Mom Dollars. Which you can earn daily by completing your chore list before 5pm. How else do you think the laundry would get folded and put away around here?

Gentle shepherds are fully human, and they know it. This is why sometimes they turn on Sponge Bob and watch it with the kids, instead of working on helping all the kids become proficient at string instruments or learn Latin. Gentle shepherds can like Sponge Bob. It’s okay. At least, I hope it’s okay. 

Gentle shepherds work hard to grow in grace, to model the fruits of the Spirit to their children, and yet they also get that they’re not perfect yet (so they don’t expect their kids to be, either). They have a Gentle Shepherd who walks alongside them, and that’s how they are learning to shepherd gently those He’s put in their care. They appreciate grace when they screw up. They don’t expect to be perfect. And they know how to apologize to their kids.

Gentle shepherds know that sometimes their unique personal urge might be to react to problems by getting either punitive or permissive, and they know that either of those reactions will grow nothing but long-term negative results (even if they appear to make the “problem” go away in the short term). Gentle shepherds try to head off those urges in proactive ways and they work hard to clean up those parts of them that aren’t helpful for growing kids up to be happy healthy adults. Many bad habits are not all that big of a deal. So you chew your fingernails, big whoop. But bad habits that hurt kids are a big deal.

Parenting can be really hard. It requires growing up, being more mature than the kids, and that’s sometimes easier said than done. Okay, it’s generally always easier said than done. Gentle shepherds often need a lot of Gentle Shepherding themselves.

Sometimes gentle shepherds write posts about being gentle shepherds, because they need to remind themselves about why gently shepherding kids is a good thing.  And I think that’s also why they are so thankful for the way that the Holy Spirit comes alongside them and helps them obey Him.  Like, say, when a certain parent is on the last day of Christmas Vacation and the warmest it’s been outside the whole time is minus 15F and and indoor projects are strewn every which way while we’ve all been cooped up together and the last thing she feels like doing is speaking kindly to a three year old who can’t even manage to pick up his three stinkin’ markers!  :)

70 Responses to this post.

  1. I will be looking for your book soon!
    Seriously…brilliant. I really appreciate the understanding of the importance of emotions…even the so-called “negative” ones. I Have never understood the concepts of FTO or unending cheerfulness…look at the sorrow and sadness of Jesus….even he asked “let this cup pass from me….” …but doesn’t that make Him even closer to us?

  2. As usual, I am in love. Pregnant with my 4th child in 6 years, I am feeling the strain of morning sickness and sheer exhaustion. I needed a reminder.

  3. Great post.

  4. Posted by Laura on January 4, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    I love your parenting posts. And hate them. And love them again. Because I’m a three year old like that. Your posts make me squirm in my seat because I know it means that I know the difference now and am responsible for that knowledge and it’s HAAARRRDDD and I.don’t.want.to!! ;) I’m such a preschooler. Thanks for such a great reminder and lesson in parenting!!!

  5. Posted by erika on January 4, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    thanks….. i needed that…… your house sounds like mine, and your cleaner-upper sounds like mine….i’m sure glad for your wonderful blog :)

  6. “Be angry but do not sin. Meaning, most importantly, you can’t scream at your child to stop screaming. (That just teaches that only the biggest person in the room is allowed to scream angrily at others).”

    Yeouch.

    “Gentle shepherds know that sometimes their unique personal urge might be to react to problems by getting either punitive or permissive. . . . Parenting can be really hard. It requires growing up, being more mature than the kids, and that’s sometimes easier said than done. Okay, it’s generally always easier said than done. Gentle shepherds often need a lot of Gentle Shepherding themselves.”

    Amen.

  7. And gentle shepherds can be thankful to see the fruit that the Good Shepherd brings about in our own lives and our children’s lives. . .

    My third son accompanied me to Ora et Labora tonight. He joined in. And his first prayer, “Thank you, Jesus, for being our Good Shepherd who takes care of us.”

    Out of the mouths of babes. . .

  8. Oh, my. That the Gentle Shepherd would rule in my heart much more than the roaring lion of my impatience. I don’t have 3 year olds anymore. I always hoped to live my life without regrets, but I sincerely regret not understanding the principles you’ve outline much sooner. No worries though- gentle shepherding is still required of a mother of teenagers. God help me now!~

  9. In our house, I would have picked up the markers, and then put them on top of my closet or somewhere inaccessable and told the 3 year old they could have them back when their attitude was better. :)

    What a great post….

  10. Posted by debrabaker on January 4, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Thank you for articulating the gentle (not punitive and not permissive,) position.

    I, too, would work *with* my children to accomplish the task together. Usually, they’ll ask to do it by themselves when they’re ready.

  11. Thank you for this, it was incredibly encouraging.

  12. Thanks for the timely reminder. Hopefully as I feel more recovered from birth #2 I’ll be more able to do this with my tantrum’ing 2 year old. Right now, lack of sleep and lack of energy means 1) the 2 year old is tantrum’ing and 2) we’re a bit more like NormalMiddle right now – after x number of tantrums in x number of minutes stuff just gets taken away until we have a better attitude. Like I said, hopefully we’ll all feel a little better and more able to cope soon. This is definitely my parenting goal.

  13. As a mum of 2 grown ups (in their twenties and long since left home) I feel like standing up and cheering. I wish you had been writing this stuff 25+ years ago. I wouldn’t have felt so terribly alone in the way I brought up my kids. James Dobson was the flavour of the century amongst evangelicals on this side of the world, and my rejection of his methodologies earned me more than a little criticism. i had nothing to read to support my beliefs, I just kept going back to the bible and asking how does God parent my fearful confused wilful heart? The other thing I did was try to listen to my own heart and ask how would I want to be treated if I were that vulnerable little person.

    I could rave on for pages about some of the principles God taught me along the way — sufficient to say, it works! Of course I’m biased, but i marvel at the 2 fantastic adult kids God has given me. And most of the journey was fun — not WWIII!

  14. Well said, Molleth! That child with the dramatic lapse of energy, such that it will kill him to lift the three markers (I was laughing in sympathy and remembrance!)…possibly a theater major in years to come?

  15. lol… I think I have a few theater majors.

    Enjoying reading these responses.

    You moms-in-the-trenches, keep your chins up. You can do it! …At least, that’s what I keep telling myself. :)

    Nice to hear from some of you “been there, done that” folks. You keep my spirits up… :lol:

    Ah, parenting. The most wonderful terrible delicious adventure there ever was. *smiles*

  16. Thanks for such a helpful post that really lets us see what gentle parenting looks like (esp. as I just have 1 toddler right now).

  17. Great post, Molly. :) I wish I had something more articulate to say, but just wanted to say that I really enjoyed reading that, it hit home for me.

  18. Posted by Cally Tyrol on January 4, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Okay, THIS is going in my household notebook to read on a regular basis. Finding this post at the end of several very long, loud days filled with a lot of screaming (from me, especially), has been a breath of much needed fresh air. Thank you Molly.

  19. Posted by Scott M on January 4, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    lol, my youngest was given the “Most Dramatic” award in kindergarten. She was very proud of the award. ;) She did have a great kindergarten teacher and is no less dramatic in middle school. My younger son would scream when he felt overwhelmed. That will try your nerves. My older son required that I grow up quickly and learn how to parent given how his biological mother treated him. My wife jumped right into that fire before she married me as the mom he needed. Still nowhere near perfect, but hopefully better as parents. It’s a lifelong learning thing.

    I’m glad I had already learned a lot about parenting before converting to Christianity and being exposed to Dobson and his ilk. I try not to think about him or his teachings. It tends to stir rage in me.

  20. Thanks for the great post and all the resources you linked to! Are there any books or other resources that you have found helpful in learning to parent in what you describe as a “gentle shepherd” way?

    I really don’t like the punitive and permissive extremes, and have enjoyed learning about Positive Discipline methods, but just wondering if there were any particular resources or books that you would recommend.

  21. Posted by Anna on January 4, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Molly, I just found this blog, and feel compelled to leave a comment. I love what I have read so far. I was raised deep in “reformed Christianity” and though I’ve traveled far towards understanding grace, I’ve always felt conflicted and uneasy with “biblical parenting”. What is taught has never matched how God parents me. I was always left feeling guiltily pulled towards secular psychology, which advocates a more authoritative stance. I guess I never realized that Christians might have something more balanced to say based on Scriptures, as I have spent the last decade or so avoiding Christians and all things Christianity. So thank you and I intend to keep reading!

  22. I am SO not a gentle shepherd.

    *sigh*

    ps. Thanks for letting me stop in to nurse the babe yesterday. Hope I didn’t give Jireh too much of an education. :)

  23. Posted by Kristen B on January 4, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    This reminds me of why I began looking at your blog in the first place! It seems that the world of “Christian” parenting involves a rod – and if you don’t use the rod, you are NOT following God. But I wish to be the gentle, loving shepard to my children as God is to me – and i’m really blessed to NOT have a rod from Him every time I mess up! Because I love Him, a gentle nudge is often enough. And the closer I am to my children, the easier it is to guide them. When the relationship is rocky – usually due to me being distracted by too many other things – then I find myself showing them that the biggest person in the room is allowed to scream angrily. And it’s an ugly lesson to see learned by bigger children! Thankfully, they are only too happy to draw close to mom and receive gentleness again. Sigh. I love the lessons my children have taught me!

  24. “The parent who is a gentle shepherd is first and foremost characterized by being more mature than the three year old… ”

    this is what makes me cry and laugh and shake my head all at the same time… so… apt.

  25. Thanks for a great post, and for making the differences between the three parenting styles easy to understand.

  26. My love of Spongebob has been vindicated.

    Thanks for this post but no thanks for the kick in the pants.

  27. Posted by Deborah on January 5, 2009 at 8:06 am

    Molly,

    A lot of laughs and so much to think about. A hearty amen on the maturity needed as well as the ability to apologize. As you know, I’m not a mom, but your posts on these matters nonetheless have me searching my own heart re: how I react to people and expectations I might have of parents raising young children (e.g., having lived with a young family for awhile). And I see again the effects of my own childhood on me. I do appreciate much about Dobson who I would take to be healthier than some of the other punitive camps discussed on this board. I think my own predilection (what I would aim for if I had children) might be a little left of center, a little more inclusive of punitive measures than you, but not very much so. I find your wisdom on this subject quite compelling.

    Deb

  28. :) Great commenhts and thoughts, as usual.

    Btw, just so I don’t misrepresent myself, you’re talking to a mom who regularly assigns push-ups or laps-around-the-house, so don’t get the idea that I always gently speak to my child and obedience happens. There are consequences for actions around here, but I try to find ways that aren’t demeaning and work for that particular kid. For my three boys (7, 5, and 3), often the problem is just a lot of energy being “let out” in a wrong way. You know, I turn around and the kid is whopping his brother, I tell him to knock it off, he keeps on whopping his brother. “Gimme ten” is the next thing he hears. :) And he’s usually grinning big, while on the floor pumping out ten push-ups, and then leaves his brother alone and finds a more appropriate outlet for that energy.

    So the consequences I try to find involve ways of getting some of that energy out, since THAT is what my biggest issue is right now as a parent. They think the push-ups are FANTASTIC, helped by the fact that they want big muscles and stuff. [I don't do this to my girls, not because they are girls, but because their personalities wouldn't respond well to it. I know some boys who wouldn't respond well to this approach either. But mine, very active, very high testosterone boys, do]. :)

    I just wanted to share that in case this post made me sound like Miss Soft Speech, with kids who always respond to a gentle reminder. HA. Not even. For me, the biggest thing, since I came from an adversarial mindset in many ways, was just the change of *thinking*. Not viewing the kids as creatures-who-are-always-wanting-to-take-over, but as lambs that I’m the under-shepherd of, really changed everything. Sometimes the consequences for actions are exactly the same as they were before, but yet the government is entirely different in my own head, if that makes any sort of sense.

    I realize that the “take authority” camp meant well. They observed the permissive homes and thought that all we needed was some good old fashioned take-charge and we’d get everything straightened out. I think Dobson has some great advice, but (I personally think) he totally failed when it came to the adversarial aspect, in that his approach is very much “you against them, and you’d better win”… Some of that might be a little helpful for parents who wax permissive. His views may have helped them understand that they need to be in authority, and that it’s good for kids to have an authority to guide them.

    THe problem, though, is in the way much of the adversarial camp views authority. THey view it just like the world does…I’m on top, you’re on bottom—-I’m in control, and you want to get control, and my job is to keep you from getting control and to keep you aware of the fact that you’re NOT in control.

    Yet Jesus’s view of authority is so very very different. He made it very clear that authority was for coming under to lift up, not for lording over. The take-charge camp trains parents to see kids through a haze of, “Better get on top of them before they get on top of you, pal.” Whereas if we look at kids as lambs and ourselves as shepherds, there’s not really any worries about them usurping our authority. Authority kind of falls into it’s rightful place and ceases to be this big huge deal. As a shepherd, of course you have authority. And of course they’re going to try and explore outside the pasture sometimes. Duh. That’s part of shepherding sheep. *grins* But you’re not viewing their exploration as this personal affront to your authority over them. You’re just…getting that curious lamb back to the safe pasture. :)

    I’m totally rambling…and I need to get my preschooler and his three cousins ready to go. If any of these disjointed and quickly-typed thoughts make sense, well, that will be amazing. I dont’ even want to look back and see how many typo’s or fragments there are…

    Love,
    Molly

  29. Now THIS is how I used to parent before I read all those “helpful” parenting books. I’m getting back to it and things go so much better. Takes more self-discipline and thoughtfulness, but as my older kids are evidence, it is so worth it!!

    Thanks for the reminder!

  30. Posted by Carolyne on January 5, 2009 at 10:01 am

    How beautifully articulated!
    “Gentle Parenting” does not equate with “quiet” or “hushed” or “subdued”…..why do some people hear the word ‘gentle’ and assume the atmosphere of Home must feel like Church ? It is simply helping a little person become *self motivated* to do the right thing. And everyone knows even adults can be quite vocal about not wanting to take personal responsibility.
    I love that you call them ‘little lambs’…..Jesus call us His own.
    Blessings to you.

  31. I really, REALLY needed to read this. I have a normal (intelligent, creative, WILLFUL) 2 year old daughter, and my husband and I struggle constantly over the right approach to take in guiding her behavior. We were both raised with the “punitive” mindset, but have not been comfortable with how that feels or the results that happen.

    I’m definitely bookmarking this to read again, and I’m going to share it with my husband, too!

  32. I’m back but I have to run out again quickly, but I forgot to respond to the book question. I wanted to share two of my FAVORITE parenting books (and I know there are lots of them, but these are the ones that really met me right where I was at and/or really meant a lot to me) that help emphasize proactive ways to guide kids, without promoting an adversarial mindset:

    “Families Where Grace is in Place”

    I think this is an absolute gem, by Jeff VanVonderan—-not so much in practical hands-on ways but in articulating beautifully a mindset where grace is alive and well, hitting that sweet spot between [or is it above] punitive and permissive. It’s way cheap on Amazon if you get it used, and (I think) well worth the few dollars. I would say that this was absolutely instrumental in helping me learn to “see” differently, not just with kids but with all the relationships in the entire house.

    One of hte things that book did for me was, after reading that book, my new mom mantra became, “Treat others with respect.” Which meant I had to do it too–heh heh heh. You know, so much of adversarial parenting is SO disrespectful to the child. Adversarial parenting is big on respect: respecting the authorities, that is. But we’re followers of Christ, right? So we want to teach our children to respect *all* others, NOT just respect those in authority but respect EVERYONE, because that’s the way that Christ is. He’s no respector of persons—we all get the same (wonderful) treatment. And in the same way, I must be respectful of those in my charge, JUST as much as I want them to be respectful of me. It seems like a small little thing, I know, but it was a major brain revolution to me, and resulted in a lot of practical changes too.

    The Mommy Manual

    This is another gem, written by Barbara Curtis, focusing more on mothers of younger kids (baby through young grade schoolers), I think, and it is just FILLED with practical proactive hands-on ways to guide our little critters along. It is SO much fun to read—Barbara has such a warm and funny writing style—and every chapter is so encouraging and brimming over with just plain good stuff. Plus, any mom that’s got ten kids has something worth listening to, you know…? :)

    (This is the IDEAL book to give to any new parents, I think. When Barbara wrote it, that was my main thought: WHY oh WHY didn’t someone give me a book like THIS when I was a new mommy, instead of “gifting” me with To Train Up a Child)? *groaning sigh*

  33. Thank you for this wonderful post. How grateful I am to be able to learn from experienced and genourous mother’s like you who offer such encouragment to mother’s newer ” to the game” like myself :0)

  34. I love the balance you have! The only parenting writing that I think I’ve ever read and been able to agree with the whole thing.

  35. Posted by MaryAnn on January 5, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    SO needed to read this post today. Several sentences call for being needlepointed on pillows and arranged strategically throughout my house as reminders that only one of us gets to be the three year-old, and it’s not me.

  36. Posted by Scott M on January 5, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    I’m a little dated since my kids are older now, but there are two books I remember being particularly helpful to me personally.

    How to Talk So Kids Will Listen (And Listen So Kids Will Talk).

    Faber, I think.

    Positive Discipline

    Don’t recall the author off the top of my head. I can find it if it proves hard for anyone to find. I do seem to recall the author was a woman and “Ellen” pops into my head. No guarantees on either of those, though. Things that pop into my head without referent or image are as likely to be wrong as right.

    Fixing daughter’s computer right now, or I would look it up.

  37. I enjoyed the book “Grace Based Parenting” by Tim Kimmel as well. The biggest lesson I’ve learned as I’ve sought to come out of the permissive/punitive pendulum swing is the Golden Rule and Respect. I treat my children the way that I want to be treated. With a gentle tone and firm boundaries….kindness, compassion, respect. It’s a challenge when you haven’t seen it modeled before…that’s why it’s best to start with how God parents us…which is a nurturing guiding Gentle shepherd…thanks for echoing my journey the past few years…it’s hard to find other Christian mamas seeking to walk this way.

  38. This is my first time reading your blog. You certainly express your parenting philosophy articulately, but I think you may be failing to meet the standards of your own commenting policy. This post seems particularly snide against the character of parents who have a different philosophy than yours. You seem to be mocking them rather than seriously interacting with their ideas.

    Implying that parents who “pop” their kid (I presume you are talking about spanking) are as emotionally immature as a three-year-old is not only insulting, it frankly ignores what is an essential element of spanking for many of us who use it: that it is calm, deliberate and self-controlled. Yes, spanking can be merely another extension of a parent’s poor impulse control, but that does not mean that it always is for every parent who spanks.

    We use spanking occasionally. I do not expect every parent to do so. If you have objections to it, then by all means, do something else, but please also portray fairly the people who have different parenting philosophies.

    There are other elements of this post I’d like to respond to, but this comment is so long that, with your permission, I will write my own post on the subject and link to you.

  39. Posted by thatwhimsygirl on January 5, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Molly, I feel like you just put your hand on mine to help me put away my markers.

    I have been taking the easy way out too often of late. Switching back and forth between punitive and permissive.. oi! My poor kids.

    So much as I don’t feel like I have the energy, I know I have to find it.

  40. Yo, Veronica. I spank sometimes. :)

    I’m not an anti-spanker. I just think it’s probably best used rarely. Most kid personalities respond to a lot of other methods. The pro-spanking books don’t tend to mention that. They seem to preach that spanking is what discipline is. When, in actuality, discipline is the art and act of guiding kids to safety/health/goodness/etc. Spanking need not be a part of that at all, but if it is chosen as a tool, it is only an infintismal (sp?) part.

    Because discipline isn’t the act of hurting or punishing a kid, it’s the act/art of GUIDING a kid… Guiding can be done in SO many different ways, most of which can be positive and happy, or if hard, then just the “working out your muscles” kind of hard, not the punishment kind of hard.

    (I should probably add here that carefully studying the verses on the “rod” really helped change my mind, too, btw. Previously, I’d thought the rod in Proverbs literally meant spanking, as in our American 20th century concept of spanking. I’m soooo over that now). :)

    Oh, yes, I forgot: please do feel free to write a post. My thoughts are by no means outside the bounds of questioning and disagreeing with. I am not a Divine Expert, and I claim full fallibility in my human state.

    That said, it would probably take a lot for anyone to convince me that a philosophy of punitive/authoritarian parenting is good for kids (which may or may not be what you personally promote and practice—I’m speaking in general terms here). Besides the fact that numerous studies have shown punitive parenting practices to be detrimental to kids (permissive parenting being shown as detrimental too, might I add, often even MORE than authoritarian parenting!), I think that the general message of the Good News proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Law just doesn’t produce “good kids.” :)

    Btw, I used to be a huge believer in “Pearl” style parenting, wrote articles and, uh, other stuff, which some of the commenters here will no doubt remember from way back and are still probably in shock that someone as “gung-ho” as me actually had her eyes opened to see the light. :) It proves God is alive and well on planet earth, that’s what it proves.

  41. Btw, I apologize for what feels like mocking. I do feel like it’s hard to respect the actions of adults who act like three year olds, though, so I feel like the comments are appropriate. Now that you know I’m not talking about spanking or not spanking, per say, perhaps that will help my tone be more clear. Also, I forget (too often) that there are many readers here, and I write under the assumption that I have only the few who’ve followed my ramblings since forever ago. I should have mentioned in the post somewhere, that I *was* hugely invested in the more authoritarian camp and lived to tell about it (and, more importantly, so did my kids). That’s probably why it feels I’m not interacting with the arguments. It’s not that I’m not, it’s that I already did (and for quite some time). Many of the posts on that topic can be found here:

    http://adventuresinmercy.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/parenting-with-gentleness-series/

  42. Thanks for the clarification. I don’t read many parenting books, but I am familiar with Baumrind’s distinction of authoritarian/ authoritative/ permissive parents. In our ideals, we are closest to the authoritative, meaning we expect obedience, but children can reason with us and tell us how they feel.

    Probably the greatest gift my parents ever gave me was the knowledge that they could be reasoned with; if we could show them that their decision was wrong, they would change their minds. Obedience to Jesus was more important than obedience to them. An excellent Reformation principle. I hope to emulate their example.

  43. Posted by Deborah on January 5, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    Molly,

    Your further explanations are insightful. Thanks.

  44. Posted by zhouya on January 5, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    Great post, Molly.

    Gentle parenting requires so much thinking! That’s the tough part. There’s no easy, automatic response to every situation.

    A while ago, on a bad day, it hit me hard that I was requiring my kids to be perfect (good attitudes, immediate obedience) when I was nowhere near perfect – and I’m sure it was/is perfectly obvious to them. How does that kind of hyprocrisy affect children? As a strong-willed child, I responded to this kind of unreasonableness with quiet, obedient hatred ):

    Apologizing to my kids for my “unreasonableness” has been a very sweet thing. I feel like there’s more of a “we’re in this together” atmosphere.

    The punitive model really works. It worked for our first 3…until they got a little older and I noticed that, while I had “obedience”, there was certainly no obedience going on in their hearts. And then strong-willed number 4 showed us that we had to rethink all of our methods! Yikes! Any sort of spanking or swat creates absolute rage. I guess that’s what would qualify as provoking your children to anger (Eph. 6:4).

    Boy, it is HARD WORK to give every very different child different, thoughful parenting. It’s a daily struggle for us.

    I highly recommend the book Different Children, Different Needs by Charles F. Boyd. It addresses how you, as a parent with a particular personality, relates to each of the different personalities of your children and some of the pitfalls (and benefits) you might run into with each combination.

  45. Wow, that’s amazing. I can almost tell the same story verbatum: with the first three, it worked, as in produced instant compliance…the third had me start questioning (albeit, only barely)…as in, it didn’t work very well, no “textbook story” like hte first two had been, nothing easy about it, and I really backed off the “training” as it just seemed like I was swatting the little guy way too much and that bothered me a lot…but I still believed in the system wholeheartedly…and with the fourth, a highly driven child, swats produced absolute RAGE. RAGE. My motherly instincts told me that something was wrong, and it wasn’t necessarily with the kid…and the wierdest thing was that where swats failed, hugs totally WORKED. Now that went COMPLETELY against my philosophy!

    Thanks to internet friends (and those I considered *then* as, uh, enemies who are now dear friends-lol)who wouldn’t let me just spout my stuff without questioning it, [thanks, guys!] including one internet friend who’s grace and grace and grace changed my heart more than yelling the “truth” at me ever would have (read, Ann, who’s post on Perfectionism and Parenting was the start of a major email-a-thon between the two of us, resulting in a paradigm change in my part, long story short), I was thrown a life-preserver when my foundation was discovered to be cracked. (The life-preserver being that there were more ways to parent than just two), I think that one of the biggest problems with the punitive philosophy is that you aren’t aware of any other opinions other than permissive—you are taught that it’s either the punitive way (ie, God’s way, they tell you) or bust: and you know you don’t want to bust, so you figure punitive must be right. It was hard to wrap my mind around a third way, but, hey, that’s part of what growing up is all about). :)

    Sorry for hte many typo’s…I’m hitting the internet at quick five minute pops today. :)

  46. I think it is interesting how when we interact online, we are bringing so much of our own background into the equation. Like Veronica’s response of, “Implying that parents who “pop” their kid (I presume you are talking about spanking) are as emotionally immature as a three-year-old is not only insulting. . .”

    Because when I read things like “Parenting can be really hard. It requires growing up, being more mature than the kids, and that’s sometimes easier said than done. Okay, it’s generally always easier said than done. Gentle shepherds often need a lot of Gentle Shepherding themselves.”” I nod and say, “Amen!”

    Not an “Amen” because I hear Molly describing “them”–the “other” parents who are too permissive, too punitive, parent too differently from me. . . But an “Amen!” because I need the Good Shepherd gently guiding me and my young, because I have days when I struggle to be the “mature” one in the family, and I’m leaning into Christ because I must.

  47. Posted by debrabaker on January 6, 2009 at 5:04 am

    I’m with TulipGirl on this one, I think Molly was articulating the normal human tendency to stray toward punitive *or* permissive extermes where the example Jesus set for us is relational present parenting in which we guide our children.

  48. Posted by Kate on January 6, 2009 at 9:10 am

    So good to know I’m not alone. For me, it’s a 5yo running around with loads of energy until I tell her to pick up and then she falls to the floor and tells me her legs are too tired. LOL Then I give her the choice of picking up or taking a nap.

    I tend to be authoritarian – like I was raised – so your post is a good reminder that I need to be more gentle.

  49. HA! I always do that to “too sleepy” kids too. When they claim they’re too exhausted to clean up after themselves, I act concerned and suggest that they go get on their pajamas and get to bed early so that they can get some extra sleep that night… 99.999% of the time, that approach works like a charm—the energy magically returns and the job gets done! :)

  50. Debra and TG,
    Yes, that is what I was trying to say. :)

  51. Posted by wysiwyg on January 6, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    It took until my 6th child for me to figure out the authoritarian style doesn’t work on every child, nor is it good for anyone. I greive my years of pendulum swinging. When I realized neither method worked perfect, it was a turning point but it has taken years for me to come to grips with my own selfish 3 year old self inside. What a slap in the face and humbling experience to realize you are not the wonderful mother all of your kids are required to “honor or else”. I needed to learn to earn their respect. I like the way you put it- gentle shepherding. Good mental picture.

    I was curious to know anyone’s opinion on Shepherding A Child’s Heart by Ted Tripp

  52. “I was curious to know anyone’s opinion on Shepherding A Child’s Heart by Ted Tripp”

    Personally, I love the image of the title — but I was disappointed with the actual content of the book.

    There is a disconnect in the book. . . I find that Tedd Tripp wants the book to be about reaching the heart, but instead doesn’t grasp (or doesn’t adequately communicate) the power of the Gospel in families and in the hearts of our children. And so he relies on the same tired patterns of telling parents that they are to do all the “right” things and seems to put them in the place of the Holy Spirit in their child’s life. . . Of course the Lord uses us as parents, , , But honestly, I’m tired of books and teachers that (unintentionally, I’m sure) place such emphasis on parenting that the work of the Gospel and the Spirit and grace in our lives is simply an afterthought.

  53. Posted by wysiwyg on January 7, 2009 at 7:47 am

    Thank you tulipgirl for your insight. That book is probably the *tamest* childrearing book I read when I was reading lots of parenting books years ago. For so many friends who were/are very into the Pearls, I would always plead with them to read something like this to see a bigger picture. Yet I have personally never been happy with any parenting book I’ve read so far.I couldn’t put my finger on anything particular, but haven’t been able to understand my not being able to *get it right* no matter how hard I had tried over the years. I’m sure Ted Tripp’s intentions were/are good (and better than others) but I think you might have hit on a good, good point. I am looking forward to reading a few books that have been mentioned here.

  54. Posted by debrabaker on January 7, 2009 at 7:47 am

    Tripp is better than Ezzo in that he’s focused on the *heart* and motivation.

    He is just as bad and stuck in the authoritarian rut because he doesn’t get more creative in his methodology than to advocate (strongly as in blah-blah-blah, the Bible commands you spank, which is not true,) draconian parenting.

    So, Tripp is blowing air out of both ends, on one hand, he emphasizes the heart, on the other hand, he goes to the same toolbox as the legalists.

  55. I am not a fan of Tripp’s book. I love his brother’s book on teenagers, though, if that counts for anything. :)

    I think Ted Tripp meant well (just as I think the Pearls mean well). I just disagree with some of the major foundations of his teaching, and, er, that’s obviously problematic. In many respects, he and the Pearls basically teach the same thing. Michael Pearl said that in one of their audios one time, that the book was just like his, just written by a different personality.

    I have written a little bit about a few of the major foundational issues here:
    http://adventuresinmercy.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/scripture-speaks-on-first-time-obedience/
    and here:
    http://adventuresinmercy.wordpress.com/2007/12/15/proverbs-1324-punishing-vs-disciplining-children-and-two-year-old-fit-throwing-meditations/
    and if memory serves me correctly, there was some discussion about Tripp in the comments box of one or both of those posts…good conversation there, as usual.

    Gotta run… Thanks, all, for throwing in your thoughts!

  56. Posted by zhouya on January 7, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Our (previous) church gave parents of young children Tripp’s book. (They gave us a lot of books….) I remember having a hard time getting through the book because the editing was so terrible. I was in a different mindset then – especially one of soaking up all the wisdom I could because I was a new parent – so I can’t really speak to the content.

    I was pondering your post, Molly, as I drove home from the store today with the kids in the back. My 2 1/2 year old (the strong-willed one) was screaming the whole way home (because she had to hold my hand in the parking lot!). I was thinking . . . my old solutions won’t work. Maybe sometimes there just ISN’T a solution! I can’t always make things go the way I want them to.

  57. Posted by debrabaker on January 7, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    Ahhhhh, the memories of two year old logic.

    Oh, the outrage at being forced to hold hands.

    Do I remember those days.

    Generally, when the kid realizes you aren’t backing down, she’ll start to ease off. But, in spite of the protest, your firm resolute insistance upon safety will ulitmately make her feel secure.

    Things just don’t always go the way we want them to go, sometimes this is good.

    When my son was 16, he worked and slaved and saved his money and bought a late model BMW.

    It was a sweet ride.

    The first full day he had the car was also the first day of school. He proudly drove that car. When school let out, we had one of those late summer thunderstorms pass by and he hydroplaned the car right into a guardrail (and thank God for the guardrail!)

    Although no one was hurt, he totaled the car.

    I would have done anything to spare him the pain of losing his car that way.

    But, gues what? God had better plans for him than I could imagine. His older sister gave him her car at her expense, he saw how much his family loved him. To make a long story short, he grew up and became the mature young man he is today.

    No, we aren’t in control, someone far wiser than either you or me is in firm control.

    And don’t miss out on opportunities for the two year old to teach you a lesson or two; that’s usually a wild ride.

  58. Posted by Cindy on January 8, 2009 at 6:36 am

    Question ~ are you married or a single parent?

  59. Posted by zhouya on January 8, 2009 at 7:24 am

    thanks, debra (:

  60. Cindy,
    I am married. But the nature of certain things makes for it feeling like I’m a single parent more than not.
    Confusing, I know. :)

  61. Commenting late yet again, but just wanted to say thanks for spelling out this “3rd option” so clearly. Thanks for the food for thought (and action… sigh. I do SO like sitting on my butt!!) LOL Toddlers and preschoolers–Mom’s best exercise program! :-D

    I made my hubby read it too, as we’re having on-going discussions about parenting methods. In his words “I think she’s the closest to right (and balanced) that we’ve read.” Trust me, that’s high praise!! :-)

  62. [...] at Adventures in Mercy wrote a post recently on Gentle Shepherd Parenting, a philosophy of parenting that advocates a middle way between authoritarian and permissive [...]

  63. I found you through 5 minutes for Parenting. I love the gentle shepherd philosophy–it seems to strike a perfect balance. I also greatly appreciate your sidebar quotes. I’ll be following you!

  64. Thanks, you all! :)

  65. Posted by Christina on January 16, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    “Okay, THIS is going in my household notebook to read on a regular basis. Finding this post at the end of several very long, loud days filled with a lot of screaming (from me, especially), has been a breath of much needed fresh air. Thank you Molly.”

    For sure I could have written this comment. 3 long days of frustration, followed by a day of peace within, but spent with a friend who really believes that if I would just spank, I wouldn’t have the frustration.

    Not feeling refreshed, though, feeling sad because I still feel I’m surrounded by church members who feel I’m in willful disobedience to the Bible by not spanking and that my daughter will only get ‘worse’. Yet these are loving, caring, generous friends of mine.

    Also, I know that if spanking isn’t the answer, I often don’t know what is…

    Thanks, Molly and Cally (and others); I’m feeling alone, but you make me feel hope.

  66. “Not feeling refreshed, though, feeling sad because I still feel I’m surrounded by church members who feel I’m in willful disobedience to the Bible by not spanking and that my daughter will only get ‘worse’. Yet these are loving, caring, generous friends of mine.”

    One of the things that has been so VERY encouraging to me, is knowing older parents whose children are good and grown and — I really rejoice — the kids have grown up well and are such a joy and really neat people.

    And these older parents? The ones who have been-there-done-that. . . THEY are not the ones in my life who are preaching “willful disobedience to the Bible by not spanking” They may have spanked, they may not have. . . it doesn’t really matter. Spanking is a non-issue to them, because they see the Bible and they DON’T see the mandate to spank. Instead, they encourage me, as a younger mom, to continue to nurture and encourage and disciple and enjoy my children.

    Sooo. . . Passing that on to you. . . there are amazing, older parents with grown kids who are NOT looking down on you for how you are raising your children.

  67. Posted by Amanda on March 26, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    Thank you for the inspiration. I try so hard everyday with my son to be a gentle mother. I didn’t have one and I have the scars! I don’t want that for my boys. Part of what me feel relieved is that you talked about needing to remind themselves that gentle parenting is good. Sometimes I feel I’m the only parent who practices gentle discipline that gets really mad and yells at her 3 year old sometimes.

    I found the link to this post from Tulipgirl’s website, while looking up info on Ezzo.

  68. Hi Molly,
    I came here from “Paradigm Shift” because I had the same question as the person you directed here. This makes so much sense. It is in line with what I got out of Shepherding a Child’s Heart by Tedd Tripp and Don’t Make Me Count to Three by Ginger Plowman. Now, I am very interested the book you recommend by Danny Silk.
    I find I swing from one extreme to the other because in the moment, either is easier and when other demands loom large the temptation is great. But in all I found your post very encouraging. Raising kids takes time, our being shepherded is lifelong learning and maturing and hopefully as we mothers walk closely to our the Gentle Shepherd Jesus we will become more like Him in the way we shepherd our young. We can’t shepherd like Christ if we don’t walk with Him.
    One things that stood out overall, is that we need to teach our children what we expect and how to complete tasks. I find simply laying out my expectations ahead of time makes a huge difference; it’s simply taking the time to teach and train our children and help them along in the way they should go. I think we often want to see fruit too soon – fruit on a sapling that may only be budding and nowhere near flowering – and then move on to another, seemingly more effective parenting method thinking that will produce fruit when in fact if we are patient and consistent in the ways you talked about, in time we will see fruit when that three year old is six, seven, ten or twelve: in the season the Lord has appointed for fruitfulness in the lives of our children.
    I disagreed on some of your points about what is OK and what is not as far as emotions go but overall love what you’ve written here!
    Re: Tripp vs. Pearl – I my opinion, the two don’t even compare. We went through Tripp’s video seminars that the book is a companion to and they really fill out, practically, what some readers may have found lacking in the book. The Pearls….oh, my…I can’t even begin to comment. Besides this thread is long done anyways :D .

  69. Thought you might find this post interesting:
    http://theologyforwomen.blogspot.com/2009/06/rod_16.html

  70. Horray for Gentle Shepherd parenting! Paradigm sifts ! YEA!

    My daughter in law asked me to come over and read your post. She was so very encouraged.
    Thanks

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